Mixed Martial Arts, Brazilian Ju Jitsu, and Reality

[1ONEfighting]

Little known fact: Olympic legend Carl Lewis is the greatest streetfighter in the world. He can get away from everyone through hoofing it. He doesn't need Martial Arts, either. I, however, am no Carl Lewis.

 

As far as speed goes, I was the slowest guy on my HS football squad next to "The Fat Guy". I am a bouncer. All of my fights I have ever been in, running was not an option. Neither was lethal or malicious force. I have to take out and incapacitate bar patrons WITHOUT biting, eyegouging, breaking fingers, etc.

 

I can't even strike them unless the fight gets out of control. How do I do my job? Grappling. It never goes to the ground, but the principles that I use on the ground are the same as when I stand up.

 

And don't even try to tell me that those aren't real fights.

[Treebranch]

There are certain things you can do in competition fights you can't do in Combat, there are rules and there should be it's a Sport. These fighters are great don't get me wrong, just as great as Lennox is in Boxing etc. You seem like you want to train for competition fighting and not everyone studies Martial Arts for that reason. I watched UFC, Pride fights, lots of them, there awesome. I also see restraint from these fighters cause you can see they had an opening and didn't take it, because it was against the rules. If they had taken the opening, rules or not they would have ended the fight. As a result of holding back they lost, to a submission or a knock out. They are not "miracle" techniques and neither are BJJ techniques. I'll make you a deal, I'll start studying BJJ, if you study Budo Taijutsu.

[MSPav]

Knowing ground fighting skills may be invaluable, but going to the ground voluntarily isn't usually a good idea. In fact, if you are fighting two people, it's suicidal.

[JohnnyS]

I've seen Ninjitsu and I'm not impressed. I know there are some groups who train hard, but the ones I've seen were frankly a joke. Besides, I've got enough stand-up and traditional martial arts experience that I don't need to worry about self-defense anymore. I like BJJ now for the mental and sporting aspect of it.

[Treebranch]

Thanks MSPav, that's the point I'm trying to make. In a real fight you don't know who might jump in, Combat Martial Arts that are any good, teach how to handle multiple attackers, it's not always full proof, but it's better than nothing. As far as I know Grapplers are not trained to take on multiple attackers. If you rate a martial art on all around adaptability to any cituation, Ground fighting comes up really short.

 

1ONe Fighting made a good point, being a bouncer, the last place you want to end up is on the ground while your trying to control a situation, or kick someone out of the club or bar. Budo Taijutsu teaches stand up grappling as well as ground fighting, one of the schools is a body guard school.

Edited May 7, 2003 by Treebranch

[JohnnyS]

As far as BJJ not handling multiple attackers my response is: Pffft.

 

Name me an art that can guarantee you success against multiple opponents.

 

I've can give many stories of BJJers that I personally know defending themselves against multiple attackers.

[Treebranch]

BJJ can't make that guarantee either, because they don't teach that, they teach one on one fighting. Kung Fu San Soo and Budo Taijutsu and most Combat Fighting Arts do. I've my own personal stories about multiple attackers, and if I had let myself go to the ground, I wouldn't be chatting with you right now. Also I've seen people attacked by more than one person and the guy fell with the other to the ground, BIG MISTAKE!!! I'm not dissing BJJ as an art, it's great. If you train on the ground, your good on the ground. If you train against multiple attackers, your better off than not training against multiple attackers, right?

[MSPav]

As far as BJJ not handling multiple attackers my response is: Pffft.

 

Name me an art that can guarantee you success against multiple opponents.

 

I've can give many stories of BJJers that I personally know defending themselves against multiple attackers.

 

Actually, I wasn't specifically referring to BJJ, but rather to hitting the deck when you still have another opponent up and about.

[JohnnyS]

Of course. However people make the claim that it's bad to be on the ground in a multiple attacker situation and it's just stating the obvious. However, there's a good chance you will end up on the ground if several people grab you at the same time. Not knowing what to do there because "it's a bad place to be" is just stupid. I actually think BJJ can be a big help in this situtation and friends of mine who've been there agree. In some cases they were able to use their guard and cover up whilst choking the opponent in their guard unconscious.

 

BTW, I enjoy these conversations. Last night we did more stand-up in our BJJ class directly because of these posts. I'd forgotten how much fun stand-up grappling can be

[Treebranch]

JohnnyS said, "I've seen Ninjitsu and I'm not impressed."

 

It's very likely what you saw wasn't Togakure Ninpo Taijutsu, there are a lot of imposters out there trying to make money off the Ninja craze from the 80's. I didn't get into this martial art so I could sneak around wearing black tights, killing people. Or to tell people that I'm a Ninja, that's silly. I study it because I found it to be very intelligent and complete. I studied Lima Lama and Tae Kwon Do for many years, it's cool, but limited mostly to striking and kicking. Plus I wanted to learn how to use weapons, it's my interest.