fighting a karate ka vs fighting a street fighter

[AndrewGreen]

if it is so usless than why does karate teach it

 

Wish I knew...

 

 

and a street fighter isnt going to expect a kick or a reverse punch if you do a kickink punching combo a street fighter is not going to expect that

 

He's also not going to expect me to jump up and down screaming and try to pee on him. That doesn't mean it will work... (although this might work better then relying on a reverse punch )

 

 

a karate fighter knows how to fight when and where to hit ect.

 

Some do, but a very large portion of them only know how to fight other karate fighters.

[WhiteBelt]

Depends on the training of both. Yes, they will tell you in karate, "hit here and he is dead." But, nobody really tries those things out. Well actually the street fighter might have. Just because they are untrained doesn't mean they know nothing. I knew of a guy in high school who never took MA in his life, but got in a lot of street fights. One day three black gang members got into a fight with him, probably because he was a skin head. He broke one guy's leg, the other guys neck, and pummeled the third. Luckily for him they didn't die.

 

The only way a karateka would stand a chance would be to have the experience in fighting that this guy had. A lot of the moves in karate have very specific uses, so your average student is going to have to figure out on the spot which tool to use. On the other hand, the fighter knows what he has and just goes to work.

[Smurf]

a seasoned street fighter has tried and tested moves which will have become air tight through practice. Unlike us he's not interested in avoiding a fight. He wants one, and this lack of apprehension will give him just one further advantage in a street brawl. No disrespect to the martial arts intended here as I've been studying since I was 6. But the more I learn the more I appreciate how easy it is for someone to kick my head in if I make one small slip up.

[Kaju_influenced]

Very intelligent smurf, it seems that there is a small misconception wit streetfighters. First of all what kind of person are we talking about here a untrained person that just likes to pick fights or a practitioner of the arts that beckons fights.....? My current dicipline was built on streetfight not hte kind that a drunken fool starts but what we call more of a element fighter...with the mixture of all elements for ex..water adaptability and able to flow in and out of an att/fire explosive and opportunistic one whom is patient and once a mistake is made takes advantage of it!!! Thnx to who ever provided that link

 

N e how i beleive a skilled streetfighter will destroy IMO a karete person not bcause of lack of skill but because of the stagnant type of training that most* traditional karate schools offer. Brucesaid it best be formless like water or even better: the stiff tree will snap in the wind while the blade of grass will yeild and live to see another day! Like you said its harder to fight another practitioner of ur art well thats because u have a set condition of fighting but what happens when u confront someone that will do anything to win Don't forget a true streetfighter will use anything to his advantage and that is what i beleive to be a streetfighter a confident fighter in society with no rules and a master in his environment...!

[Raiden]

If you've ever been in a street fight, you'll learn that inexperience is a major disadvantage. Nothing goes as you "planned." I've also learned that usually the experienced guy wins, not always, but quite often. Like someone else said, people who street fight often and look for fights, know what works. Someone who knows karate but has never been in a street fight is in for a big surprise when he/she gets into their first.

 

Ask a streetfighter what they think of someone who knows karate. They will probably laugh at you and talk about how they are easy. Probably because they usually end up fighting someone who knows the art but has never been in a street fight. I know I was ridiculed in high school when I was in shotokan, and again in TKD. One of the reasons Martial Artist get no respect with alot of people is due to the fact that someone learns a form of Karate and with no experience gets into a fight with a street fighter, they result is they usually get destroyed. The result is the art is labeled as weak since it failed the fighter when it's not the art that failed, but the practitioner.

 

I remember my first street fight. I remember the panic when I kicked the guy in the groin and it didn't slow him down. He kept coming at me. I kicked him in the groin again, didn't faze him. Street fights are just situations that you have to experience to understand.

 

 

a seasoned street fighter has tried and tested moves which will have become air tight through practice. Unlike us he's not interested in avoiding a fight. He wants one, and this lack of apprehension will give him just one further advantage in a street brawl. No disrespect to the martial arts intended here as I've been studying since I was 6. But the more I learn the more I appreciate how easy it is for someone to kick my head in if I make one small slip up.

 

well said Smurf!

[Treebranch]

The key is not to try fit the techniques you learn into a streetfight, just react naturally. Attack, attack, attack. You will do fine as long as you are vicious, a whirl wind of attacks.

[WU TANG CLAN]

WB... Black gang members?? Raider... Groin kicks that didn't work?

 

I understand that a lot of training without sparring and practice practice practice can leave one vunerable in a confrontation but to suggest that you have fights in order to have practice in preperation for your next is not only uncalled for but dangerous.

 

Learn your art & practice practice practice & go to different Dojo's or dojang's & get to know the cheif instructor & humbly ask if you can sparr with them sometimes. (I Do) Just like we're doing here online you can do in person with others. It won't work everywhere because some studios have a bad vibe to them starting with the Master on down to the students & they probably have egos with something to prove and someone can get hurt either way. So those type of places should be avoided at all cost when you see it coming.

 

When I was five these bigger kids about four of them prbably ages 7-8 said hi to me and gathered around me while I was holding a bag filled with candy as though they wanted friendship & then snatched my candy and ran up the street. When my mom came out of the store she verbaly let me have it explaining that from now on & for the rest of my life look people straight in the eyes & to always check out my surroundings.

 

I've been doing that for 30 years now..It helps in any confrontation.

 

I have worked as a bouncer at various clubs in Philly,L.A., Atlanta & NYC I've seen guys that I work with get beat down by MA trained customers & non trained alike. I've seen big burly Venice Beach muscle heads tripping of the Roids & Jack Daniels get the tar beat out of them by trained MA's & by untrained bouncers more than enough!

 

It all dependes on the secnario.. For instance say you and your family are out from somewhere formal & your wearing a suit & tie & Italian loafers & and a idiot in a seat suit whose looking for trouble starts with you in front of your wife & kids? How do you handle it if he's not interested in negotiating with you? Or if your out at a night club with your girl & you're wearing a $100.00 silk shirt and a $500.00 chain on your neck and some fool wants to fight because you bumped into him?

 

Even if you could beat him under normal circumstances there are obstacles in the area i.e. people,tables, chairs,etc..

 

Do you wanna lose your nice things in a fight? No because if you where expecting to get into something you would've worn sneex & jeans.

 

So it all depends.

 

BTW, WB gang members are gang members.. No matter what color their skin is I still would get nervous at the clubs when approached by more than one person looking for trouble in any race.

 

Also black people white people, chinese or any other race of poeple are not superior in any fights because of their race.

 

Thanks,

[Treebranch]

One thing we do Wu Tang Clan is we have a philosphy that is train how live. Once in a while we train with street clothes. I usually prefer and choose clothing that is loose fitting. Even if I am wearing a suit it isn't a perfect fit, it's loose enough that I can move around, it's a sort of critera for my clothes to not effect my movement too much. But your right, some situations can get really sticky. If your being attacked, you must do what it takes. If you can avoid it, by all means avoid it. Also it's sad that some people are more afraid of certain minorities, than of their own kind. This can be an advantage for that certain minortiy in a confrontation. I've had a lot of people back down from me, after they were shooting their mouth off. So in some ways it's gotten me out of alot of potential fights, but it also kinda sucks.

[WU TANG CLAN]

Thanks for the reply tree Branch, I'll be moving back to Cali by summers end. Canoga Park, Winettka to be exact. Where do you train?

[Treebranch]

I train at Bujinkan North Hollywood, if you want to check it out send me a personal message and we'll talk.