DokterVet Posted April 27, 2003 Posted April 27, 2003 I am wondering how strong today's top fighters are. Just as a ballpark figure, how strong is your average successful UFC or Pride competitor, K1 kickboxer, champion judoka, etc? We'll use the max bench as the measuring stick, while acknowledging that it is not the definitive measurement of strength for a number of reasons. Also, if anyone knows any specific strengths of various competitors (ie, I know Tank Abbot's max is 615), that would be cool. I'd be interested to see how much Royce Gracie or Tito Ortiz could press. My interest is to find out how strong one must be to be able to fight anyone. 22 years oldShootwrestlingFormerly Wado-Kai Karate
G95champ Posted April 27, 2003 Posted April 27, 2003 To my knowledge no one has found a way to measure the size of one's HEART and that has more to do with making a great fighter than any bench press mark does. However to give your question and answwer I would be very shocked if any Gracie could bench more than 200lbs because their style of fighting playes on endurance and wearing the other guy down till he makes a mistake they can take advantage of. On the flip side I would say a Colman or Kerr can Bench Press a truck. However muscle don't make one a great fighter. Both those guys got a HUGE Heart. So to answer your question It don't matter. Now its a given the stronger you are the more its going to help you but at the same time there is not limit you must be at before you can win anything. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
DokterVet Posted April 27, 2003 Author Posted April 27, 2003 Yep, I know strength isn't everything. It's just a curiosity thing. And realistically, I believe you do have to be somewhat strong in order to stand a chance at high levels of fighting. 22 years oldShootwrestlingFormerly Wado-Kai Karate
G95champ Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 Again I would bet the Gracies are not very strong. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
martialartist1 Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 "My interest is to find out how strong one must be to be able to fight anyone." its depends on the situation whether one fights in sport martial arts, ring fights, street fights, ufc fights e.t.c. each one has their own rules and limitations. someone said earlier the Gracies are not that strong, but i think they are, but strengh insnt the main thing to win fights, its also skill. one can be so strong, but the more skillful one would win.
LOILOI44 Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 I don't think strength is the main factor in being a good fighter. I can't speak for other martial arts, but in traditional Jujutsu it's about using what strength you have in the most efficient manor. I always found the more strength I put into a technique the more the technique would feel wrong. Don't get me wrong, strength is a factor, but not the main factor. There's an old Japanese saying: If two equally skilled men fight; the bigger, stronger one will win.
G95champ Posted April 29, 2003 Posted April 29, 2003 If I had to rate skills you needed to be a good fighter they would be. 1. Toughness - Bottom line you got to be mean and don't care to get hit. 2. Ability to Think - Know your self and know your attacker. Be calm and relax let the fight to come to you and don't rush and make stupid mistakes. 3. Speed - Speed plus Techinque = Power. 4. Techinque - If you hit the right place reguardless of strength you can get the KO. 5. Endurance - Don't punch out and don't get winded. 6. Strength - IMO its not important. MASS is more important than strength meaning its harder to make range on a tall person and it harder to grab a person with big arms etc. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
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