Beer-monster Posted April 21, 2003 Posted April 21, 2003 It can fail you. Nothing in this life is full proof. You may fight someone much bigger and stronger than you, and there only so much that training can help you with against that. Or get hit by a barstool form his mate, or he may connect with a lucky shot or many other things. What I was trying to say was that most people have a pre-conception that martial arts fighting involves high kicks, daft stances and jumping about. That is quite useless and will get you hurt, but real martial artist use realistic techniques are an effective force, it just doesn't look like martial arts. So most people say its useless, because of their own preconceptions not the art. That can also have happened to your friend. He may have thought karate only involves stances, kicks and punches, and that he may have parried and warded off more freely instead of the hard blocks that most peopel see trained. Before I thought that if I useds a throw I wans't using karate but some other art. Now I know better. It is easy to get distracted by an ideal of what an marts or a stle is supposed to look like. And that why many people say its ineffective, coz they don't see what they expect. Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
KaratekaAikidoist Posted April 21, 2003 Author Posted April 21, 2003 . I'm not denying the effectiveness of martial arts training, all I'm saying is that if one person with extensive martial arts training feels that it is not particularly effective for him, then it is understandable that someone who has never trained in the martial arts before may hold the same view. So is that like if i was to think martial arts really didn't work well, someone who trains with me may think the same thing?
CheekyMusician Posted April 22, 2003 Posted April 22, 2003 . I'm not denying the effectiveness of martial arts training, all I'm saying is that if one person with extensive martial arts training feels that it is not particularly effective for him, then it is understandable that someone who has never trained in the martial arts before may hold the same view. So is that like if i was to think martial arts really didn't work well, someone who trains with me may think the same thing? No, that's not what I mean (although if you were teaching martial arts to students and telling them that if was ineffective, then they probably would believe you), but all I was saying is that some people do think martial arts in ineffective. I was using my dad's friend as an extreme example. He's spent all his life training in the martial arts, yet even he can doubt their effectiveness in certain situations. If he can doubt them and he's dedicated to them, then its understandable that your untrained friend may also think the same way. I'm not saying anyone is right or anyone is wrong, just that people all will have (and are entitled to) their own opinions and they're not very likely to change their opinions unless they get undeniable proof that they were wrong. Your friend has never studied martial arts and so is ignorant of what is involved, yet he will have his own preconceived notions of what is it and how effective it is. You may never change his opinions, but as long as you don't let him change yours about something you love as much as martial arts then its fine. Smile. It makes people wonder what you've been up to.
fireka Posted April 22, 2003 Posted April 22, 2003 im with the author 100%, the guys an idiot and has obviously never trained seriously in anything. i to am a student of ki. "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
KaratekaAikidoist Posted April 22, 2003 Author Posted April 22, 2003 Thanks for the backup Fireka. I kinda feel like they just are really ignorant. I mean, they have to go around demoralizing a key principal just because it doesn't make total sense to them. I kinda get what you mean about the karate effectiveness Musician, but I'm not 100% in understanding it. I guess it would be like if you told someone who never practiced in karate that it doesn't work and you were of decent rank, they'd trust you on it. Is that what your saying? Can someone give me an explaination on this. One kid who acts like he knows everything said ki is either adrenaline or air. Where would he get air from? Is that just his stupidness?
Guest Posted April 22, 2003 Posted April 22, 2003 I think he was trying to be politically correct by saying that there isn't any spiritual force behind ki, but it does exist. How you focus adrenaline I don't know, but my opinions on ki are explained in the "Opinions on ki" thread. But his statement helps demonstrate a point. Some kid is going to read his post about ki being focused adrenaline, believe it, and start telling other naive kids the same thing. Another myth is born.
KaratekaAikidoist Posted April 22, 2003 Author Posted April 22, 2003 I just responded to your thread and just saw that you replied to this one. The kid didn't read an article that said ki is focused adrenaline or air, he just said that as an explaination I guess. As I already said, he tries to sound smart constantly. I explained my thoughts on ki on your post, so I won't do it again but i just thought that if they were my friends, they'd just say, "Im not sure" and not go on a crusaude to prove ki's noexistence. I feel truly accepted here by being able to say what I think. I also told one of them that I should start talking to a few guys who take tae kwon do at my middle school. I figured that even though they don't take my style, they'd at least understand. That also got them angry that I may prefer a martial artist friend over one of them. Now i get angry comments when I say I'm going to a tournament or talk about ki to the tae kwon do people. I say that if they have a problem, don't say anything and let me talk to who I want.
Guest Posted April 22, 2003 Posted April 22, 2003 I appologise. I didn't mean to step on your toes or anything, I should keep the ki stuff in the ki thread. As for this thread, I agree that people who don't know anything about martial arts will be the first to discount it as non effective. And if they insist on discrediting your art, get out the pads and challenge them to a friendly duel. They'll back off, or at least they'll get thier @$$es kicked.
CheekyMusician Posted April 22, 2003 Posted April 22, 2003 Thanks for the backup Fireka. I kinda feel like they just are really ignorant. I mean, they have to go around demoralizing a key principal just because it doesn't make total sense to them. I kinda get what you mean about the karate effectiveness Musician, but I'm not 100% in understanding it. I guess it would be like if you told someone who never practiced in karate that it doesn't work and you were of decent rank, they'd trust you on it. Is that what your saying? Can someone give me an explaination on this. One kid who acts like he knows everything said ki is either adrenaline or air. Where would he get air from? Is that just his stupidness? Even I'm getting confused now! All I was saying is that my dad's friend is a 3rd dan karate and judo practitioner and he felt that they had not served him particularly well in self defense situations. He'd dedicated his life to them and still continues to train today. He loves what he does, but felt that boxers etc. tended to fight better than someone trained in karate in a bar brawl situation. He loved karate but felt that it was not as effective as he'd hoped it would be. Now if someone who has a strong love for karate can think that way, then it is no surprise that someone who has never trained in it may also think that way. Its just your friend's thoughts on this issue. He happens to think that it is not an effective method of self defense. You seem surprised by his statement. All I was trying to say is that there are people out there actually practicing martial arts who are unsure of its effectiveness, so it is no surprise that people who don't practice it may think the same thing. I hope you get it now. Smile. It makes people wonder what you've been up to.
KaratekaAikidoist Posted April 22, 2003 Author Posted April 22, 2003 I talked to my sensei about them and thats sorta what he said. In 6th grade, one of the anti karateka would pull wresteling moves on me and i wouldn't or couldn't do much. Maybe now he's noticed he can no longer do these, as I elbow him or kick him. Maybe they're intimidated that I'm testing for black and I also hold another belt in aikido. Maybe I'm getting too involved according to them. Or Perhaps one is jealous. Like I said, his parents wouldn't even let him watch a class. I don't understand smr, you did nothing to insult me. This tread is sorta about ki so nobody minds.
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