Kirves Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Jeet kune do IS other martial art, is it not?. They "steal" (or borrow from others, depend how you see it.... )what they think will do the jobb from any system that comes along and make that a "system" of there own... Correct??. This to me makes JKD a style that uses other styles as it's own style and it can never be JKD VS other MA styles coz of that..... but hey, it is just me thinking this... Well, sorta. When you study according to Bruce Lee's principles, your art starts to look like the stuff he did too. He didn't just say "do whatever works", he gave strict guidelines a.k.a. concepts to follow. Lee's main points were to not be bound by any one art, and to become well rounded fighter, i.e. to be able to freely flow between the ranges of a fight without problems whatsoever. Because the concepts direct one towards a certain kind of fighting style, Lee's own Jun Fan Kungfu is often used as the base art for JKD studies. So, usually when someon starts training JKD, he actually starts studying Jun Fan Kungfu and then he tailors it for himself using the JKD concepts. Did anyone understand? Could someone with more JKD experience tell more here, please?
WC-Strayder Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Sounds ok, but is it not so in every style/art??. In all styles/arts (I think!) your sifu/sensei/trainer will hand you the tools, or basics, but it is up to you how you use that tool to fit you the best. You sort of making your "own" style, or "bend" it to fit you the best, if you see what I mean. Or else there will be "monkey sees/monkey does" stuff all the way, right? JKD vs other styles?. It all comes down to the man/woman and what s/he has learned, nothing else!. It is not the years in practice that counts, but the hours and dedication in that practice and, offcause, the way you handle basics, or tools given too you. Master the basics, then you kung fu will become great!. (Kung Fu means that you are good in something and not just good in martial art, that so many seems to believe! Your kung fu is good in fishing if you're a master fisherman for instance) And that goes for JKD too I guess...... Be nice and the nice becomes nicer..... err?? If the first lesson was a failure, then you know that skydiving isn't for you!
Kirves Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Sounds ok, but is it not so in every style/art??. In all styles/arts (I think!) your sifu/sensei/trainer will hand you the tools, or basics, but it is up to you how you use that tool to fit you the best. You sort of making your "own" style, or "bend" it to fit you the best, if you see what I mean. Or else there will be "monkey sees/monkey does" stuff all the way, right? Well, first of all. Most traditional arts are "monkey see, monkey do" styles. And true, in the more open styles, you aren't really creating a new style, you just find your personal way of using the style. To give a simple example: Shotokan is very poor in groundfighting and trapping ranges. No matter how hard you study Shotokan, you won't learn much of these ranges. You can go to BJJ school and learn groundfighting, then go to WingTsun school and learn trapping. Now you have rounded up your skills. But this isn't that your Shotokan instructor gave you the tools and you use them as fits yourself. And you can't teach all this mixture of the three arts and call it Shotokan karate. Ergo, Shotokan does not give you all these tools in its own curriculum. Same thing applies to any style. As long as it is a "style" it has its curriculum and with that, it's boundaries (=limitations). The base premise of JKD is to free yourself from such boundaries. It is essentially a MMA, but what makes it JKD is that you follow Bruce Lee's concepts about what in his mind makes a good fighter. He had specific ways of determining the quality of a single technique or tactic. He also deviced strategies and philosophies, like his famous "Five Angles of Attack" and these all are mandatory studies for the JKD student. So, no, JKD is not just doing random MMA, nor is it a style with a curriculum like most other arts. It is a set of concepts, that you use to evaluate techniques, then study them and use the ones that work for you, the importance here lying in the JKD concepts - without them you would just be doing MMA.
Treebranch Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 I'm curious, what are the 5 angles of attack. We have 4 angles, 2 circles, and a drop. That's what we call it, but it's really Wind, Water, Earth, Fire and the Void. I would llike very much to hear a description of the 5 angles. Thanks. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kirves Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 They aren't "angles" per se. A better term would be "The Five Strategies/Tactics of Attack" but Lee chose to use the word "angles" to describe them. They are an essential part of JKD and are thoroughly explained in his textbook Tao of Jeet Kune Do.
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