Jeet Kune Do vs other martial arts

[aznkarateboi]

I don't think Jeet Kune Do is the greatest Martial Arts ever created. I think if he lived longer to really develop it, then maybe that claim could be made. I think MA's created during real warring periods(pre-firearm) are the most effective, they had to use their skills to survive. There is no better teacher than the battle field. I saw some films where Bruce was fighting, and he was really fast, but I think someone bigger and stronger with grappling skills could of destroyed him.

 

im might be misunderstanding u, but are you saying that any old big grappler could have killed bruce?

[Treebranch]

Hoyce or Rickson, or Shamrock or Bas Rutten or maybe Tito Ortiz or maybe Ruas or Belfort. If you consider these guys any old grappler you should reaccess.

 

Where's Bruce's fight history? Who did he ever fight? Sorry, no disrepect to Bruce, but let's be realistic.

 

JKD is great and all, but it's not the end all to MA's.

[Kirves]

his MA isnt ''perfect'',it has its weaknesses

 

But his whole point was that you shouldn't be studying HIS art, but to create your OWN. What makes it JKD instead of you just cross-training, is that you use the Jeet Kune Do Concepts that Bruce Lee developed as a guide towards creating your personal style.

[Kirves]

I think someone bigger and stronger with grappling skills could of destroyed him.

 

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Where's Bruce's fight history? Who did he ever fight? Sorry, no disrepect to Bruce, but let's be realistic.

 

Bruce studied grappling among some of the greatest at the time, remember Gene LeBell?

[Treebranch]

Again. Where's Bruce's fight history? Who did he ever fight?

 

When is the point when someone is ready to create their own style? How good should you already be? Remember Bruce was already trained when he started coming up with his concepts of JKD. Some people aren't that creative and need instruction. He was also a highly. self motivated individual, alot of people need external motivation to learn. All I'm saying is, invent your own style. based on what? Where's your base? You must have a base? You're not going to learn at the MA buffet. You have to atleast be very proficient at one MA. Don't you think.

[Kirves]

Again. Where's Bruce's fight history? Who did he ever fight?

 

He didn't fight in tournaments. But he "fought", i.e. sparred full contact with people like Chuck Norris, Gene LeBell, Dan Inosanto and so on. They all say he was awesome. Norris was a full contact champion at the time, able to keep up with the heavy weights like Joe Lewis, yet admits he got beat up by Lee pretty good every time they sparred.

All I'm saying is, invent your own style. based on what? Where's your base? You must have a base?

 

Based on the guidelines that Bruce left you for that very purpose: Jeet Kune Do Concepts. And when you go study JKD, you will be taught the base too, usually Jun Fan Kungfu is used as the base, though this varies from instructor to instructor.

 

Somehow I get the idea, that you haven't completely understood what JKD is all about. My guess is you haven't studied under any JKD instructor for any time, am I right? These issues would be a lot more clearer to you if you knew what JKD is all about. Jeet Kune Do is not a fighting style, it is a set of concepts, and a philosophy.

[Treebranch]

Kirves said:

Somehow I get the idea, that you haven't completely understood what JKD is all about. My guess is you haven't studied under any JKD instructor for any time, am I right? These issues would be a lot more clearer to you if you knew what JKD is all about. Jeet Kune Do is not a fighting style, it is a set of concepts, and a philosophy.

 

You're absolutely right. I never studied under a JKD instructor. I'm sure that would make it clearer, but if I knew what it was all about I wouldn't have the pleasure of discussing it with you. I read a description of the philosophy and concepts behind JKD. I have to tell you it doesn't sound like anything new. I study Budo Taijutsu and it sounds very similar to what we are taught. It sounds like basic common sense to me. I've studied other MA's and I remember alot of the techniques that seemed not to work well. Now that my Taijutsu is pretty good I can make those techniques work eliminating movements that don't work. I would highly recommend Taijutsu even just to learn the basics, the Kamae. Now I can pretty much look at any technique from other MA's and see why they work, or what will make them better, sound like JKD? If this is what you meant, than JKD sounds great. What about weapons? What kind of weapons training does JKD have?

[Fenris-wolf]

i belive in an ideal Bruce Lee style people would come to learn this 'ultimate' martial art. the instructors would asses every student individualy and each would learn in a way a different martial art, one student would devote 3 times as much time to kicks as another. they would develop each students own personal martial art and allow him/her to blossom.

 

You have a good point, but I think it's a little more subjective than that. I don't think it can exactly be "taught". Someone can introduce to you the idea. But it really seems like you need to do what you feel. To elaborate; when you have a weakness, or a strength you rely upon, or you can see how certain moves from many different styles would come together well you implement it yourself. So baisically you have to be very good, experienced and above all, intelligent fighter who is always striving for "better".

 

Just my 2 cents

[Kirves]

I have to tell you it doesn't sound like anything new.

 

World has changed. Back when Bruce was still alive, it was something very new. Lee was both hated and revered because he said things like that. Nowadays people are more open and experienced. Today if someone came up with the same ideas, people would just say "old news".

It sounds like basic common sense to me.

 

As it should. Many martial arts are far from common sense. Or at least many martial artists.

Now I can pretty much look at any technique from other MA's and see why they work, or what will make them better, sound like JKD

 

Yes. The whole of JKD concepts are a set of things that help you evaluate a technique, tactic or strategy, according to Bruce Lee's standards. Just as you said, you can see a technique and from your base knowledge of Taijutsu, you can evaluate it's realism, the JKD concepts are there for that same purpose. You see a technique, you check if it contradicts the JKD concepts, if it doesn't you study the technique, then you try it. The final test is, after you have studied it, can you personally make it work? It doesn't matter if it is the most realistic technique in the world, if you can't make it work, it won't help you. Thus you will end up fighting with a style that is completely personal to you and works best for you.

What about weapons? What kind of weapons training does JKD have?

 

JKD weapons training aims for realism. In most cases the basis for JKD weapons training comes from the Philipino art of Kali. Bruce Lee learned Kali from Inosanto and liked it. He also thought the Kali principles overlapped with his JKD concepts. So kali methods mix well with JKD and thus almost all JKD schools teach Kali as part of their curriculum - for both weapons and empty-hand tactics.

[WC-Strayder]

Jeet kune do IS other martial art, is it not?. They "steal" (or borrow from others, depend how you see it.... )what they think will do the jobb from any system that comes along and make that a "system" of there own... Correct??.

 

This to me makes JKD a style that uses other styles as it's own style and it can never be JKD VS other MA styles coz of that..... but hey, it is just me thinking this...