Traditional vs MMA Vs Self defense.

[Treebranch]

The Battle field WAS a better teacher, than the ring will ever be.

 

Meaning Martial Arts that were used on the battle field in times when there were no GUNS. Those martial arts were used for survival on the battle field when life is on the line, not a title. Many more factors to take into consideration than just one person. You had to kill or be killed, a little more on the line don't you think?

 

Oops, I not talking about modern warfare here, in modern warfare you will have little use for Martial Arts.

[JohnnyS]

I would say you're exaggerating the importance of unarmed combat in war.

 

Not too many armies are going to waste time training their soldiers in unarmed combat when they could be training them to be using a pike or sword.

 

Any unarmed combat would be more due to personal preference than to ensuring your army is going to win a battle.

[Treebranch]

Who said anything about them being unarmed, I said no guns. Unarmed fighting in conjunction with weapons training is how most warriors were taught. The unarmed skills come in handle with close range fight when weapons. If you didn't know, in the battle field, in pre-gun eras, warriors clashed and grappled with their weapon. They used there sword to lever you down so they could finish you and move on. They didn't slap swords together until one of them was struck, that took to long.

[JohnnyS]

I might have to call in some help on this one, but I agree that soldiers grappled and used their swords. As for the rest (i.e. levering the sword down), well, it depends on who was fighting.

 

Also, what does fighting with swords and the battlefield have to do with self-defense today ? You can't carry around a sword. You can't just stab someone because they pushed you.

[Treebranch]

No, you can't carry a sword around, but when your an old man and can't move around as well. You can carry a cane, and you can used that to lever someone down and wack him with it.

 

The battlefield was the testing ground for fighting techniques and those that didn't work died on the battlefield. These techniques worked in the battlefield and consequently were passed down, they can work on the street as well. I feel better learning something I know works, if the crap hits the fan.

[1ONEfighting]

Yes, but in the battlefield, you could not learn from your mistakes. You make a mistake, you died. The ring, in that respect, is a much more valuable teacher.

[TJS]

The battlefield was the testing ground for fighting techniques and those that didn't work died on the battlefield.

 

So you feel TKD is one of the most combat effective stlyes out there?

[JohnnyS]

Theoretically the technique may work. Unless you've used it though under "live" conditions, you don't know whether it will work or not.

 

There are far too many martial artists running around - CMA especially - that talk about how their art is battle tested and so is superior. C'mon, unless the technique is being taught exactly the same hundreds of years later (which I would doubt because who has the "live" experience to know all the important details), and in a live envrionment you're only theorising and living off past and dubious glories.

[Treebranch]

Where do you think the techniques that the Gracies use came from? The made their own system, but based on what? Pre-exististing Martial Arts such Jujitsu and Combat Judo, which were tested in the battle field. The sport martial came from Combat Martial Arts, but was customized for Sport.

[TJS]

Helio Gracie Impoved on the techniques..Kimura Himself said it after his fight with helio..