Traditional vs MMA Vs Self defense.

[WC-Strayder]

traditional vs mma vs self defense. Traditional vs mma vs self defense. Traditional is ancient... OK, let's assume your right. MMA is developing….. OK. Let’s assume this is right to. Let us then move 15 years into the future, what is MMA now?. Ancient?. Sure there gonna come some “new and developing” stuff that gonna knock the pants off MMA, just wait and see!. Is there gonna be “ancient, traditional MA” (including MMA) in 15 years from now?. Yes, for sure!. Can we still use both “styles” for self defence?. Yes!. So what’s the point saying “My developing style is better than your ancient style”, coz they both be “ancient” in some time and they both works just fine for anybody doing it!. Yes, I do practice “traditional” Wing Chun and yes, I know that’s an “ancient and old” style, nothing compared too MMA off cause, but it works just fine for me no matter what you say!. It has proven that I can hold my own against average Joe in many street fights and that’s enough for me!.

[TJS]

no, mma will not be outdated because the entire point of it is to take techniques that work and get rid of the techniques that doont...to constantly imporove....Unlike traditional stlyes whitch belive they can never change,adapt or improve...to me it seems a little unrealstic to belive throught the few years nothing could be added to a system to improve it.

[JIUJITSUFIGHTER]

we're talking about hundreds, maybe even one or two thousand years. gung fu is that old, now if you look at mma its new and it will be always be new, because it continues to evolve. when is it that you see a few kung fu masters coming up with new stuff almost never, because they practice their forms, that are centuries old and some of them are outdated and don't work, as we have seen in mma events. this is oppose to lets say bjj teachers who change and develop new stuff on a weekly basis and fifteen years from now mma will not be " ancient" because it isn't.

[WC-Strayder]

New stuff?. MMA always new??. What are you talking about?. Do you, JIUJITSUFIGHTER, know anything at all about Wing Chun?. Had you seen us train?. No, you have not, or else you would't said it like this. The day I'll pick my MA based on the new stuff they come up with every week, that's the day I'll quit, for sure!!. Evolves you say, but what is evolving?. You learning something today, but it's changes tomorrow, is that what you mean with evolving?. Never learn anything 100% don't sounds like something good to me, but just keep on looking down on everybody else, coz this will be your defeat some day, believe me my friend!.

 

Take a little look around yourself and not as mush on MMA videos and you'll se what I mean!.

 

Have a good training to you to!.

[SBN Doug]

no, mma will not be outdated because the entire point of it is to take techniques that work and get rid of the techniques that doont...to constantly imporove....Unlike traditional stlyes whitch belive they can never change,adapt or improve...to me it seems a little unrealstic to belive throught the few years nothing could be added to a system to improve it.

 

I actually would like to question your (all of you) opinion regarding what you define as MMA. Personally, I think of MMA as a general term. If it is "Mixed Martial Arts", then doesn't that simply mean someone took a bunch of MAs, fixed them together (weeding out what someone feels is unrealistic), and practice it (adapting changes as they see fit)?

 

If so, what would you clasify my art (Kuk Sool Won)? The Grandmaster went around and learned a number of different Korean MAs in his youth. Which all had various influences from accross their borders over the centuries. He then took what he felt were the most "practical" parts of those arts, and structured them into a new martial art (from "mixing a bunch of others).

 

Granted, he kept a limited number of forms, and some ki development. However, he continues to "tweek" the joint techniques, pressure point attacks, etc. to be more efficient. Changes to compensate for new situations, etc. Does KSW meet your classification of a Mixed Martial Art?

 

If not, what is your interpretation of MMA?

[TJS]

ok, your right i should have been more clear...When Talking about a particular stlye I think there are open stlye that bring in new things and discard other things...for example Krav Maga has added more groundwrork in the last 10 years to accomidate the knowladge and training that is growing(bjj) Muay Thai has started using training meathods from boxing ..etc

 

If your stlye is still brining in new things things and taking out what does not need to be there i would consider it an open stlye...

 

when I was talking about MMA i meant there will never be some "new" stlye that Beats MMA becuase someone would simply start learning that stlye and add it to their own toolbox.

[WC-Strayder]

The Wing Chun I am about to learn is a very traditional Wing Chun, but it's pretty open to new things to. I know for a fact that they had changed a lot of stuff that was "to old" or of some reason out of date and redefined a lot more to adapt to todays street fights, so don't judge it before you now it all right?. We also learn some ground work, but I personally never had a single fight, and I've had a few fight, believe me, but I'll never ever ended up on the ground. Never!. And you see, that is what counts for me, not some figures from the police. I also think, like KSN Doug says, that it is a lot more to things and styles that some off you on this forum thinks.

 

Let's take the simple forms. Wing Chun have forms. A form is a great way to learn a technique properly. (The secret in Kung Fu is the basics, so master the basic!) Some of you may think that a form is useless and out of date, but it's really good in teaching techniques and the basics. In Wing chun we don't have some six hundred or so different techniques, we only have a few, but that dos not matter, for they work. No fancy moves, just boring, hard hitting, lightning fast kung fu at it's best!.

 

(Yes, I've seen the videos on the net of so called wing chun fighters and yes, I know that even my mother had beaten them up with ease, coz they where only bad excuses off a WC fighter. Even I had done it better, really, spesially at close range!. )

[WC-Strayder]

Sorry, I forgot one thing. If I had to fight the gracies in some match or something I'll learn ground fight, BJJ or simular, but the ground fight I had learned in WC is far good enough to get me by in a good old reglular "break some bones" street fights I believe and that's what I'm talking about. I learn self-defence to defend myself, my family and kids, NOT to compete. (Had I started with WC before, when I was a teenager, yes, you would see me in the ring kicking some a**es, but I'm 35 years old now, still fitt to fight, but not compete with it). Nothing beats a good fight, except your nose

[Treebranch]

The battle field was a better teacher, than the ring ever will be.

[JohnnyS]

Treebranch wrote: "The battle field was a better teacher, than the ring ever will be."

 

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. What army ever successfully fought using only martial arts ? Armies use weapons and H2H combat is not something that was encouraged. Oops, I guess there was the Boxer Rebellion, but we all know how successful that was right ?