BoxerScott Posted April 15, 2003 Author Share Posted April 15, 2003 Thanks for the info so far guys.Top Ten MA styles for sport? For Law Enforcement? For Self Defense?Basically Law Enforcement/Self DefenseAnd also define what in the above catergory would make an art effective or ineffective....By effective I mean being able to result in control of the situation or person through violent/non-violent martial arts.Also there are some many styles and hybrid styles you would not be able to fairly include them all.I know, thats the sad part.your question is unfortunately bogus, although that doesn't mean you are for trying to answer it. you follow?I follow Thanks for the info about Law Enforcement tactics, very true and insightful. To use analogy in order to illusrate what I am getting at, let me Para-phrase: Cars, in an aspect, are much like martial arts. Everyone has a favorite type of car, not everyone agrees with everyone else. Import people generally dislike Domestics and vicea-versa. So you can bet, opinions are not impartial. But, what I am trying get at is the following: There was a study done by a notable source a few months ago (by a major car magazine) that ventured out to find "The best car" of 2003 (Domestic). They took the Viper, Corvette z06, and SVT Cobra (Mustang). Now, anyone will tell you the the Viper is the fastest of the three because the Viper boasts a massive 500hp. However, the test to find "the best car" didn't target just speed, it included all the other various aspects of performance. By narrowing their goal and expanding on the means they decided to looked at: speed, fastest 0-60/0-100, off the line (traction), handling, turning, shifting, response, and many others. Well, guess who won in the end. The Corvette came in first (with only 405hp), the Viper in second, and the Cobra last. Now, what does all thia have to do with Martial Arts and the top MAs. Well I am basically looking for a similar test done by notable sources targeting the best (such as in situations of Enforcement/Self-Defense). Many people believe that there is no such list because people are generally not impartial, but I would beg to differ in saying that there must be one out there. Not everyone is corrupt... Thanks for all the help thus far! -Boxer ScottBoxingIwama Aikido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommarker Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 (in no particular order) Karate Wrestling Firearms I'm no longer posting here. Adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnifinite Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 Cars would be a little easier because cars actually exist. A martial art is an abstract concept... a rough estimation at best. Every Viper of the same model is essentially identical. How many Karate instructors could be found who teach techniques precisely the same way? Or even the same techniques? And how closely do these resemble the mechanics/techniques used by the person/people the art originated from? I'd venture to say that most if not all of the instructors in the lineage of a martial art add a spin on it. They can't help but do anything else... they only have their interpretation of what's being presented to them to go by. And then techniques from other arts get incorporated to make it more effective, or people keep secrets from each other for whatever reason, or the ego/money-monster shows up, etc. Truthfully, I believe every single instructor out there is teaching a different martial art. They just often resemble a certain conventional estimation enough to be labeled under it. Plus we don't really know how good a martial artist can get. Cars start out at their best and degrade from there. With a martial artist's knowledge, it's usually the other way around. So you have to factor in how much a person really knows and how well they've really trained... which opens up a whole other realm of subjectivity. And there's one other thing that makes cars much easier... roads. Roads are designed to be pretty much universal, aren't they? Take away the roads and which car is best? You'd have to start specifying terrain. And weather. And who knows what else. And then different types of tires and oils and fluids make cars function better in different environments. Eventually you end up with thousands and thousands of variables. Such is life. I don't think you're completely without answers here, but like the rest of us I think you're going to be stuck with rough estimations at best. 1st Dan HapkidoColored belts in Kempo and Jujitsu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karate_woman Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 Another reason there is likely no answer is that people are continually creating new martial arts, which combine techniques of several other martial arts. The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. -Lao-Tse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiFightsMS Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 This is an often discussed topic one for which there has so far only been presented conjecture and opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 There was some program, I think it was on THE HISTORY CHANNEL that was called Top 10 Martial Arts or something like that. I caught a part of it. I think it was judged on notariety and popularity, not on effectiveness. I think Martial Arts is kind of like religion, it's what fits you best, what makes sense to you, or what you've been taught. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Good luck with your research. I suspect that if there was one art that was deemed the most effective by the police, then there wouldn't be so many "police instructors" of varying styles, but if you come across something that isn't just a sales gimick it'd be great to see. Exactly. But, maybe what if you went along a slightly different path with your paper? Can you do not on most effective MA, but instead on most effective techniques? In which case you can group them together and write about them. For example, retraining tactics are widely used by officers. You can then outline restraining tactics of various styles, and how they differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzcraig Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 I feel Kung Fu is the most affective. It originated in china I think and was made by farmers who needed to protect themselves and there land and family. Now dont quote me on this I may be wrong but thats what I heard it originated from. Its good to look into. Check it out. But like tommarker stated, firearms are good if its needed. #1"The road to tae kwan leep is an endless road leading into the herizon, you must fully understand its ways". #2"but i wanna wax the walls with people now" #1"come ed gruberman, your first lesson is here.....boot to the head" #2"ouch, you kicked me in the head", #1"you learn quickly ed gruberman" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIUJITSUFIGHTER Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 ACTUALLY BLITZCRAIG if history is right, than bodhiharma, taught the chinese monks 18 techniques and than the monks of china elaborated on them. and i think the greaks(alexander the great) are the ones who taught the indians. jiu-jitsu is invicinble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Fighters Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 I saw this show on TNT and it was called the top ten, and each week, it shows the top ten in stuff (like most dangerous snakes, best martial arts, ect.). It was a pretty cool show, i dont think that tae kwon do should have been on the list and i dont think that karate deserved #2 but most of the arts still deserve their place. 10. brazilian juijutsu 9. kali/escrima (basically the same art just from different parts of indoneissa) 8. krav maga 7. tae kwon do 6. aikido 5. The MA in rank 5 wasnt a very popular art, and i think it had a long name so i dont remember it. 4. Ninjutsu 3. Muay thai 2. karate 1. kung fu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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