Treebranch Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 TJS said : "intresting...i know several guys that are 60+ and can still beat the crap out of most people " I said there were EXCEPTIONS, but very few, I think that's fair to say. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
SevenStar Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 Karate-Do don't work either. Boxing it self does not work, althoguh the punches will. In a fight (which I do no quite a bit about from experiance!) you have no time to block, do a thro, put a lock on, put a guard on. You just headbut, punch and bite and then run. You don't see that in boxing. If someone tried to start a fight with me and start boxing me I'd just kick him in the groin. Boxing is an art and a sport and yes when you put gloves on that takes all the street fighting scence out of it. I know not from studying fighting or theorizing about what will happen but simply from experiance. I know I'm only 16 but I'v been getting in fights all my life and if you think that what you do in the ring is going to win in a fight you are dreaming! Just like them Karate-Do people who think your going to get into a stance and perform a technique. Boxing belongs in the ring but not on the street. I may have only done about 2 years of mucking around boxing we every week me and a few mates put on a pair of gloves and beat the crap out of each other for a laugh but it don't workin a street fight. But one thing is for sure, that boxer is going to have one mother of a punch that will work in a fight! When people are pushing and shoving you, the adrenalin (fight or flight) is pumping around your body and there is no time for consious thoguh you just have to ask and if you think your gonna start prouncing round jabbing the guy well, what more is there to say. Thanks. I was in desperate need of a good laugh today.
Treebranch Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 Neil, what are you talking about? Are you saying an untrained fighter has a better chance in a street fight than a Boxer? Boxers go on autopilot and we murder you if you don't know what your doing? Come on. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Synaesthesia Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 Neil, Which part is is that boxers couldn't use on the street? Defensive and powerful footwork? Lightning timing and devastating power? A boxer would be killed in street combat. The street calles for tunnelling through buildings with explosives, heavy armor, helicoptors and C-130 gunships.
TJS Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 TJS said : "intresting...i know several guys that are 60+ and can still beat the crap out of most people " I said there were EXCEPTIONS, but very few, I think that's fair to say. I think that if someone was a good full contact fighter when they were younger they will hold their skills just as well as anyone else..Age affects every stlye...not just boxing/muay thai etc
The_Ryno Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 You just headbut, punch and bite and then run. You don't see that in boxing. Apparently Neil's never seen Mike Tyson in the ring. "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."
Treebranch Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 Tai Chi masters get better with age, Aikido masters get getter with age, Budy Taijutsu masters get better with age, Shaolin Masters get better with age, you don't have to be a gladiator type to be effective with this type of Martial Arts it just takes many, many years of study to refine the craft. With age they discover ways of being more effective with less physical force. Other Martial Arts age out, because they are base more on Sport and Athleticism. Don't get me wrong Sport Arts are incredible, and beautiful, but you don't see a 75 year old man doing spinning back hook kicks, 5 feet in to air. Sport Arts are rigorous and take lots of physical stamina, and the older you get the harder it gets to continue that type of activity. TJS said:I think that if someone was a good full contact fighter when they were younger they will hold their skills just as well as anyone else..Age affects every stlye...not just boxing/muay thai etc.. Sorry but not against a younger, stronger, opponent with equal skill, just not going to happen. I state again there are very few exceptions to this, but there are some. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Wing Chun Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 cmon lads lets stay on topic here, im a traditional martial artist. i belive that boxing does have very good practical apllications. i mean the difference between a normal guy and someone who goes every week to box, gets hit learns to punch harder im pretty sure he will be tough. on the other hand, this is mostly to the guy who started the thread, boxing is effective but remember it is more of a sport orientated art, and i think the lack of kicks could be a draw back. now dont make assumptions about what im saying about kicks. ima wing chunner so im not into all the fancy kicks either but against a good kicker who is trained to kick low powerfully and fast it could prove a handful. in boxings defense again, i mean cmon simply having hard punches and knowing how to apply that energy is very useful, and i really dont think a boxer is going to start 'boxing' i.e. looking for jabs so he can get points in the street. thats right adrenaline will take over and he wll start punching hard so unless u can really block fast powerful fats punches u better run. overall id just like to say boxing is better than nothing and is very good one could argue there are better self defense arts but to say boxing is useless is ignorant.
Treebranch Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 Wing Chun, this is not my thread, but I'd like to comment on some of the things you said. Sure a trained fighter that can kick will have an advantage with a boxer, but in a street fight you don't know the guy is a boxer. If your in range at the beginning of the fight and are too close, a trained boxer will get in and destroy. A Boxer is nothing to take lightly, they are dangerous, and boxing is much, much better than nothing. Let me ask you have ever stepped into the ring with a experienced Boxer? By your comments, I could guess that the answer is No. It's not just being able to hit hard, they are great at slipping punches, countering and the jab is mostly for range, but some fighters can knock people out with jabs. Have you ever seen an early Mike Tyson fight?, I've never seen any Martial Artist hit with that kind of power and accuracy, ever. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Wing Chun Posted April 19, 2003 Posted April 19, 2003 you made good comments but i just wanna point out that if you actually asses my last post you will see im not against boxing at all infact i was praising it, however i was also trying to help people understand the flip side, its not a case of pros or cons its a case of points of view. but as for your comments - you said that atrained kicker will ahve an advantage BUT if ur in range wotever, i know you could almost always find a counter but that wasnt my point i was trying to say an advantage is an advantage. i know boxers are extremmely adept at slipping and punching techniques but didnt i say that, i do think that power is a main factor tho i mena i dont think boxing blocks for example can match the blocks or evasion techniques of extreme close range as well....wing chun! and some other arts, remember there are certain characteristics which styles have that work for them and the practitioner. and yes i agree a boxer would destroy an untrained person or even tarined person at close range, but think for example how a boxer would react to a trained muay thai fighter with VERY hard and fast kicks, all it would take would be a feww to make himfall, but then on the other hand all it would atke would be a few punches from the boxer to knock the other guy out. well there u have it, u just ahve to make it work for you. remember im not against you, u seem to be pro boxing it would be no un if i was aswell, if you were anti boxing trust me i would appear much more pro boxing, its to add variety to the conversation. thanks
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