When are you all going to realise that boxing actually exist

[Ryan]

However, how many of us non-boxers have ever gotten the chance to fight someone with boxing experience? I certainly never have. Therefore I cannot make any sort of assumption as to whether or not I could beat up a boxer, or vice versa. When I say this, I of course mean a boxer of my same height and weight, giving an equal playing field as martial artists. If the guy was 6'6, 280 lbs. I would cry and run away, hoping he's not a track star, too

 

I have, and like i said, it really depends on the person. I know we hear this so much, but its true. Ive sparred with boxers that just dont know how to deal with kicks. On the other hand, Ive sparred with boxers that I had a LOT of trouble kicking. Also, I think it is safe to assume that most 280 lb guys arent track stars, but then again, neither am I.

[shotochem]

Ive sparred many times with one of my dojomates who used to box.

 

I am the more advanced student but he still gives me a hell of a time.

 

He can take a lot of abuse, and still keep coming. He also has great hand speed and upperbody movements and a very deceptive unorthodox puch while sparring. He also hits like a sledgehammer!!!

 

I can easily out point fight him but in free sparring he is a beast!!! There

 

is no way I can out muscle him, if my technique is not good he can easily

 

hammer me and Im pretty much of a scrapper myself

[delta1]

Its time this one was thrashed out now i feel.

 

OK, but don't get all infuriated at me. This is just my opinion (but it's a darn good one, in my opinion!).

 

The old pugilists, or bare knuckles fighters, were excellent martial artists. But the advent of gloves and safety rules watered down the style and made it less effective. It also taught boxers some bad habbits. Punching with gloves allows them to strike in ways that are guaranteed to dammage bare hands (remember Tyson's litle foul up?). Also, the methods of guarding and throwing punches were modified to acomodate the weight of the gloves. And since they can now only strike targets above the belt (like Bob Hope, wearing hs trunks up under his armpits ), the style was modified to only guard the strike zone. They aren't as effective at protecting their base. The head is brought forward into range, and their stance exposes the groin and legs. They also tend to dance, bob and weave, which can be exploited.

 

So, does this mean they are wussies? No. The average boxer will pick apart your guard faster than you can say "OUCH". He's probably in better shape than the average martial artist. And, he knows how to take a hit landed with intent. He also knows how to hit with the same intent. Most ma's don't have that kind of experience, some don't even train with moderate contact. Also, they only train one strike- the punch- so they know it well (even if it is not as good as their bare knuckle predacessors).

 

How to handle the sorry buggers ( )? As allways, don't fight their game. I'd no sooner try to duke it out at medium range with a boxer than a Ving Tsunner. Low kicks to bring that guard down. If he bobs and bounces, he's vulnerable to attacks to his base. The ones I've fought don't handle those kind of attacks well. When you go in, get close and continue to attack or check his base. Many martial arts have a far superior in close arsenal to the boxer's basic hooks and uppercuts, but you'd best use it quickly and effectively. They aren't used to standing grappling techniques or positional weapons checks, so if your style teaches these you should use them.

 

Well, ghost and sevenstar, if that offends you I'm sorry. But, there you have it, for what it's worth. And, you asked!

[omnifinite]

I've seen a ton of posts in support of boxing.

[Ghost]

Thanks for that Delta1 but i think you are wrong about the lack of effectiveness close in and to assume the uppercuts and hooks are basic is incorrect. There are a different set of punches for close in and there are bosy checks in boxing like you have in a weapons system.

 

I would say that boxing is better now than it was when it was bare knuckle. Nothing to do with gloves just that it has evolved over time.

 

The method of guarding and punching has not been changed to accomodate the weight of gloves.

 

Bare knuckle boxing is still big in Britain and standard boxing is used and still works in its current format.

[Ghost]

Omnifinite

 

The posts are all by the same people pretty much.

 

About 4 different people.

[Neil]

Karate-Do don't work either.

 

Boxing it self does not work, althoguh the punches will. In a fight (which I do no quite a bit about from experiance!) you have no time to block, do a thro, put a lock on, put a guard on. You just headbut, punch and bite and then run. You don't see that in boxing.

 

If someone tried to start a fight with me and start boxing me I'd just kick him in the groin. Boxing is an art and a sport and yes when you put gloves on that takes all the street fighting scence out of it. I know not from studying fighting or theorizing about what will happen but simply from experiance. I know I'm only 16 but I'v been getting in fights all my life and if you think that what you do in the ring is going to win in a fight you are dreaming! Just like them Karate-Do people who think your going to get into a stance and perform a technique.

 

Boxing belongs in the ring but not on the street. I may have only done about 2 years of mucking around boxing we every week me and a few mates put on a pair of gloves and beat the crap out of each other for a laugh but it don't workin a street fight. But one thing is for sure, that boxer is going to have one mother of a punch that will work in a fight!

 

When people are pushing and shoving you, the adrenalin (fight or flight) is pumping around your body and there is no time for consious thoguh you just have to ask and if you think your gonna start prouncing round jabbing the guy well, what more is there to say.

[Ghost]

Sorry Neil but you are wrong again. You messing around with your mates proves nothing. With any MA the stuff should be drilled into you so it is automatic.

 

To suggest that a boxer will only box in a street fight is equally ridiculous. If you can figure out a kick to the groin what makes you think they cant?

 

In fact head butting is taught in boxing. There are a whole set of techniques called proffesional fouls which include arm breaks and head butts and some below the belt punches.

 

Think again.

[Ghost]

I would like to add that i regret that this topic had been moved into this section as it was originally in the General Martial arts section.

 

I posted it there because boxing was getting dragged through the mud in that forum and i guess now its in this one i wont be getting the message across to the relevant people as most people in this forum will know what im on about.

[niel0092]

We non MT, KB, and boxing people come in here too Ghost. Your message will be heard

 

Anyway, to say that boxing would not be effective is some what riddiculous. These guys train hard. Crazy hard. They hit quickly and with power, take tons of punishment, and always come back for more.

 

So they dont train kicks. Big deal. You're still going to have to kick him very hard in the right spot, which we all know is sometimes easier said than done. So they wear gloves. We've all hit things bare knuckle without breaking our hands. Pretty sure they can too. They only downside could be their ground game but honestly, is your (collective your, not any individual) ground game good enough to get in past that fury of punches?

 

The thing about this site that bothers me the most is people trashing other styles in favor of a certain 1-3 styles that are quite popular now. Give it a rest! At the end of the day if you enjoy what you're doing, if it makes you stronger and more capable does it matter what others think? I'll get off my soapbox now.