When are you all going to realise that boxing actually exist

[Ghost]

Thank you SupaNinjaz thats what i mean its just not that easy to break a knee but a solid punch to the chin.........i dont know many who can take much of that.

[Fenris-wolf]

I think that boxing can definately be under-rated, but personally the thing that can make me be a little contemptuous is purely the politics which I have observed. Which of course has nothing to do with the style.

 

I'm sure boxing is very complex, and an intelligent fighter could certainly use it in a street-fighting situation, but you have to realise that in comparison to Muay Thai or kickboxing you have less than half the weapons. A Muay Thai fighter may not have quite as hard a punch, but then again, he might. Whereas a boxer has no reason to know how to knee/elbow/kick let alone how to block these weapons.

 

A little behind in the conversation, I know, but I couldn't resist.

[Smurf]

again i think its one of those areas of cross training isnt it? if u could cross boxing with taekwondo i think you would have a good range of techniques for sure

[Cyph]

For your hands, I think boxing is the best art you can train them in.

 

But, boxing alone does leave serious flaws in the martial artist's arsenal. I've seen excellent boxers do weird stuff when they start getting kicked low, they drop their hands and start to try and block the kicks with their hands which leaves them open to punches.

 

That's why you cross train. Combine that with the kicks of muay thai and some grappling, then you've got a nicely well rounded fighter who should be able to exploit a pure boxer.

[Neil]

The reason Martial Art teachers do not think boxing is any good for the street is that when you put on a apir of gloves you greatly limit your self to a whole host of things that will work in a fight but not in the ring. Fingers in eyes, gripping the ears and ripping them off, ripping the kidney muscle off, thumbs in throat, thumbs under armpits etc.

 

You are never, ever, in a million years every goona fight on the streets like you do in the ring. Fighting is always scrapy. Not even Bruce Lee himself would aviod a dirty fight if it came to a REAL fight and not in the gym. Have you ever seen a clean fight? No, I don't think so. Certainly a well trained boxer would do very well in a fight, and would be much better defending themselves on the street than over 90% of the Martial Artists out there. But the rest of the 10% of what is actually worthy of being called a Martial Art would do much better. A boxer would be good in a street fight only because of his condition to take a bit of punishment, and of course the power of his punches, but thats where it ends. A Martial Artists from the 10% category would instantly stick his fingers in the attachers eyes, foot in groin, bitting his ears off and it will all be over. Boxing was designed for the ring, karate was designed for stopping the violance as quickly as possible and that is why its applications are so brutal. The first knanjis of Bujutsu is 'To stop the spear' or to stop violance, not how to start it. This is why karate is not very effective when made into a sport. Boxing is best suited to the ring, although a well trained boxer woyuld do quite well but ONLY because of his condition and his punch, not boxing ability which will not take place in a fight. Karate's only application is to destroy the oppenant in as quick as time as possible, so you can get home safely.

 

Just thought I might add some 'home truths'

 

Neil

[MMouse]

Boxing is VERY EFFECTIVE as a fighting art. Yes it does lack some weapons. What makes boxing what it is is simple. The way it uses what weapons it has. Boxers are trained to use their hands from mutiple angles. A boxer learns to avoid being hit, while hitting. Boxers train to fight. They don't train for anything else. And they train hard. You get anyone who trains in an art like that, they will be very effective. The difference in tho, that most martial arts schools don't train like that. Not saying all, but most. Boxing is not for kids or families. Part of the reason alot of Martial Arts avoid this training. A similarly trained Muay thai, karate or judo practitioner would give them and run and probably even beat them. Not doubt about it. There just isn't the same percentage of them.

[mtmaniac]

IMO boxing is one of the most effective arts for streetfighting. I havent been in that many streetfights but I train and spar very often in Muay thai.

 

In boxing you learn to avoid and slip punches without blocking them, when in muay thai the boxing training mainly consists of basic stuff, blocking punches with your gloves etc. When I'm sparring I usually takes the punches on my gloves close the distance and start working the clinch.

 

My point being that in a streetfight you don't have the gloves to use defensively and most attacks ( I beleive) in streetfights are punches.

 

Muay thai got more weapons, some really nasty ones in the knees and elbows, but I feel most mt fighters lack in boxing defense. In ringfighting you can make up for this by blocking punches with your gloves,clinch, throw knees and kicks but in a streetfight it could be dangerous to go berzerk with the kicks as there is no referee to break it up when one fighter loses balance or falls to the ground. Just my thoughts, I have very little real life experience so this is all in theory ( of course).

[Neil]

This is the thing where theory vs experiance. Myself and my teacher have been in loads of fights. Him mainly on the street, and me in schools and youth clubs. I can honestly say if you think you will fight on the street like you do in the ring you are living in a dream world. Fighting is always dirty, it is nothing like fighting. If you want to learn how to fight in a ring do boxing. If you want to learn how to stop a fight on the street-which is what you wanna be doing so you can end the fight within a few seconds lending you energy to run home before the police find you and arrest you, even though you acted rightly.

[MMouse]

This is the thing where theory vs experiance. Myself and my teacher have been in loads of fights. Him mainly on the street, and me in schools and youth clubs. I can honestly say if you think you will fight on the street like you do in the ring you are living in a dream world. Fighting is always dirty, it is nothing like fighting. If you want to learn how to fight in a ring do boxing. If you want to learn how to stop a fight on the street-which is what you wanna be doing so you can end the fight within a few seconds lending you energy to run home before the police find you and arrest you, even though you acted rightly.

 

Lemme ask you something, do you choke people unconscious in classes? Do you break joints? Do you actually poke them in the eyes? Strike the groin with force? OR neck? Didn't think so. You can practice those techniques all you want, but you are never actually doing them. I am not saying the training is ineffective, just not as complete as you make it out to be. When you box, you hit........hard. You also get hit.........hard. It is reality. No boxing isn't perfect, but it gives you some effective tools and a taste of what it is like to really fight. On another note, Mike Tyson beat TWO men the other night. Can boxing work? just maybe.

[Neil]

To your answer, yes. We practice all the applications from the kata. We practice against a live fit opponent who is trying to resist. With regard to breaking joints, its rather stupid to break someones arm or leg just to see if it works, just a good bit of punishment on the joint can teach the mind that it works. Eye gauging is practiced a lot, we sometimes do swapping drills where we massage the area by touching the eye with soe force. Groin kicks are applied softly, but who in the hell as bulls made of iron? 2 places you cannot hit with full force are the eyes and genitals, if I have to explain that to you, well... KO out someone with chokes can be very dangeoruus, but yes once again we do practice finding pressure points on the neck against a stationary person fisrt of all just to find them, and gain some hands-on approach to finding where they are. Then we practice against a live fit opponent and whack all the pressure points in a given area, for example a heavy forum against the neck. We do practice chokes, which can be very handy when in a pub or bar when trouble makers come in the scene, and you need to escort them. KO people unconsous is pretty stuipid, all you need is a bit of pain and punishment to know what works and what doesn't.

 

The thing is, the reason a boxer would be good in a fight has nothing to do with the boxing itself, it has much more to with the boxer himself. The boxing would be useless in a fight, and it is, since people don't box in a fight, they fight in a fight. You have to understand this.

 

We are practicing them and doing them. This is not like the rest of the 95% of the karate out there where people march up and down a room punching thin air as hard as they can, and practicing some kind of balley which they call free sparring which they think is what a fight looks like.

 

Neil