jmy77 Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 I saw a few comments about this in another thread so I did a quick search in google and came across this article. http://www.shotokankata.com/Articles/Jutsu.htm It's a good read. What do you think? What are your feelings about do and jutsu and how they relate? "Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft." - Pres. Theodore Roosevelt "You don't have to like it, you just have to do it." - Captain Richard Marcinko, USN, Ret."Do more than what is required of you." - General George S. Patton"If you have to step on someone else to stand tall, then you truely are a small person." - ?
delta1 Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 "It is my belief that true karate is learning the ‘Jutsu’ to such a level that it progresses to become ‘Do’." That quote summs up the whole point of the article, I think. And he's correct. Tai Chi, for example, is renowned for its health and spiritual aspects. But they have found you get less than half of these bennifits available in this style if you do not practice it as a martial art. American Kenpo uses English terms, but stresses physical, mental and spiritual development. These are interdependant, and to ignore one will dimminish the others. Freedom isn't free!
superleeds Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 "It is my belief that true karate is learning the ‘Jutsu’ to such a level that it progresses to become ‘Do’." That quote summs up the whole point of the article, I think. And he's correct. Tai Chi, for example, is renowned for its health and spiritual aspects. But they have found you get less than half of these bennifits available in this style if you do not practice it as a martial art. American Kenpo uses English terms, but stresses physical, mental and spiritual development. These are interdependant, and to ignore one will dimminish the others.Bows to delta That was well said Delta. Read a book!
panginoon Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 On the whole I agree. Many Karate dojos are -do, which is why they suck. Although my dojo is a -do, we do not learn morals or bettering our selves as a person. We fight and train hard.
SaiFightsMS Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 I like the way Abernathy explains the differences and how they are not inclusive of each other. "By engaging in arduous, austere and realistic training, our mental and physical weaknesses are forced to the surface, such that they can be confronted. If you can overcome the fear generated by sparring, then you should be able to override the exact same emotion when it prevents you from pursuing your dreams. If you have the discipline to endure the demands of training, then you should also be able to endure difficult times in your life outside the dojo. If you are able to keep control of your temper during sparring, then you should also be able to control any potential outbursts that could harm your relationships with others. If you can face the most feared opponent in the dojo, then you should also be able to stand up for both yourself and others in the event of an injustice." I also really like that. It is from that article.
panginoon Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 I see no point in bettering yourself through MAs. I do not want life instructions from someone who wears pajamas and has a black piece of cloth around their waist. When i practice i want to pushed, yes mentally too, but not in the moral way. One of my beefs with Shotokan is that stupid Dojo kun or creed. It seems so communist, having people receit some mumbo jumbo. It is empty and forced.
SaiFightsMS Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 So you see nothing wrong with not examing how students use what they are being taught? Example is it okay to teach someone to be a better bully?
Neil Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 What you fail to understand is that the term 'Do' is simply to make safe so it can be practiced as a Sport. Although Funokoshi wanted to popularize karate he did not want to turn it into a sport, but after his death he could do nothing about it. The original term for karate 300-400 years ago was Toe-Te-Jutsu. This was the balance of Physical training with mental training as well as bettering ones character through effort and hard work. This idea that you need Do is a bit silly.If you ever met a Jutsu teacher like mine or Steve Morris they are the most frightening people you would ever hope not to meet. But also by the same token they are the nicest and humourous characters you could ever hope to meet. http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=7045 hers a topic for more about Karate-Jutsu
crash Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 "jutsu" and "do" are just two words used to describe a transition in a period of time, nothing more. during the fuedal years of the samurai class of japan "jutsu" was used to describe the fighting arts, when the fuedal days were over the samurai arts became mostly useless, but, so they wouldnt be lost(and because it was the way of the samurai) they were still practiced as an art. only the names were changed to reflect the new meaning.
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