Kirves Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 As I said: There are always exceptions to the rule, as there are so many different styles, organizations, schools and instructors.
Kyle-san Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 As I said: There are always exceptions to the rule, as there are so many different styles, organizations, schools and instructors. Exactly. There are good and bad instructors and schools in any style.
goshinman Posted July 30, 2003 Posted July 30, 2003 As I said: There are always exceptions to the rule, as there are so many different styles, organizations, schools and instructors. I agree completely. I also will say that BJJ is alot more consistent in the type of training they do as far as going hard and not just handing out a black belt to anyone until they have reached a certain level of technical know how and such. Traditional arts USED to be that way until they came to America. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
LOILOI44 Posted July 30, 2003 Posted July 30, 2003 As I said: There are always exceptions to the rule, as there are so many different styles, organizations, schools and instructors. I agree completely. I also will say that BJJ is alot more consistent in the type of training they do as far as going hard and not just handing out a black belt to anyone until they have reached a certain level of technical know how and such. Traditional arts USED to be that way until they came to America. Actually there still are traditonal schools that are still run that way. You just need to know how to find them. They usually don't advertise. I guess it goes against tradition.
goshinman Posted July 30, 2003 Posted July 30, 2003 I know they are out there but my particular TJJ school does not go full contact so I had to get my hard workouts at another gym. I will be trying to get some guy's from my dojo to go hard with me when we can afford adequate protection. I think that another huge problem we face in TJJ is a serious lack of conditioning. It has been said so much that you can do TJJ and defend yourself against bigger stronger opponents without being in great shape that most jujitsuka I know don't even bother working out regularly.- Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
Drunken Monkey Posted July 30, 2003 Posted July 30, 2003 y'know, most of the time it isn't bad instructors who bring disrespect to the style. instead it is arrogant, rude, obnoxious young students who like to shoot their mouth off at every opportunity, showing no respect for students of other styles. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
goshinman Posted July 30, 2003 Posted July 30, 2003 y'know, most of the time it isn't bad instructors who bring disrespect to the style. instead it is arrogant, rude, obnoxious young students who like to shoot their mouth off at every opportunity, showing no respect for students of other styles. True, true. It's a problem that I see that has become increasingly common especially amongst the MMA/NHB crowd. Not to long ago a guy was on here bragging about how he whooped a TJJ brown belt and a black belt after he had only had 5 lessons in BJJ . But it isn't just the BJJ people or the MMA people because I used to go to a dojo that constantly bashed other styles of Kung fu/karate, it was one of the more pathetic displays of Budo spirit that I have experienced in quite some time. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
JohnnyS Posted July 31, 2003 Posted July 31, 2003 goshinman said "Not to long ago a guy was on here bragging about how he whooped a TJJ brown belt and a black belt after he had only had 5 lessons in BJJ ." I wasn't bragging, I was pointing out, using that example, that BJJ and TJJ are not the same thing. There is no way you could do that to a black belt or even a blue belt in BJJ after 5 private lessons. It's not about being arrogant, it's about being truthful. I'll readily admit that there are some good TJJ schools out there but they seem to be in the minority whereas all BJJ schools seem to be of a consistent quality. The original question on this thread was "I'm just curious, if you will find much of a difference between the two?" I answered yes and gave an example of why. I don't need to brag, but why should I not say that and mislead the guy? There is a LOT of difference between BJJ and TJJ. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Kyle-san Posted July 31, 2003 Posted July 31, 2003 It's not about being arrogant, it's about being truthful. I'll readily admit that there are some good TJJ schools out there but they seem to be in the minority whereas all BJJ schools seem to be of a consistent quality. Yeah, I can agree with that. Everytime I hear about how great the conditioning, training quality, how you earn your belts, etc in BJJ it reminds me of my TJJ club. I like that.
Drunken Monkey Posted July 31, 2003 Posted July 31, 2003 one thing has always puzzled me, why do so many of you get into fights (with other styles) after so few lessons? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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