SevenStar Posted April 13, 2003 Posted April 13, 2003 I didn't say that Sport Arts could not be used for combat, but Combat Styles are better equiped for combat. That is why a Combat Art is a Combat Art, I encourage you to learn some Combat Martial Art to see for you self, to add to your arsenal. By the way certain Martial Arts do take longer to learn than others, that's a fact jack. Three years in karate, four years in longfist. two years in jun fan, muay thai and kali... currently a sankyu in judo and also training bjj and shuai chiao... bad assumption on your part. Anyway, simple fact is, unless you are realistically sparring and drilling, all of your combat art's "deadly techniques" amount to little more than a hill of beans. And actually, sport arts would utilize some of those techniques better. It's alot easier for me to eye gouge, punch a throat, etc. while you are on the ground and I have total control of you. Some do take longer, especially the chinese styles. does that make them complete? no. the lack of groundwork in CMA proves that. even the chinese wrestling styles like shuai chiao lack ground work. length of time to master has nothing to do with completeness. How often do you practice full contact strikes to the knee? eye gouges? groin pulls? exactly. In the mean time, you've got boxers, wrestlers, etc. that are going contact on a regular basis, with the techniques they will fight with. That makes all the difference. Royce told me himself that in the first (two, I think) UFCs there wasn't an expressed rule against eye gouging. you would only get a penalty. so, theoretically, if you eye gouged someone, you would get a penalty, but if they couldn't continue, you'd still win. Where were the traditional guys? On their backs, too busy defending to worry about trying to eye gouge. Ever seen shuai chiao? The throws are designed to either break limbs, throw a person directly onto his head, or a combination of the two. VERY combat oriented and potentially deadly. BUT, they see the value of training full contact on a regular basis. Consequently, there are safe versions of the throws taught, that way they can compete and train in a similar manner to judo's randori and shiai. Basically, it doesn't matter what a style is "better equipped" for if it doesn't train it properly, and that's a fact jack...
Treebranch Posted April 13, 2003 Posted April 13, 2003 Yeah, whatever dude, think what you want, just be careful out there. Your overconfidence in your art can be a your downfall. BJJ guys are getting their asses kicked in UFC all the time now , so don't think you've found the ultimate martial art cause you haven't. You are completely biased in your opinions and can't see the forest from the trees. You have no respect for combat arts and that's a good thing, the less you know, the more I know, and you are the disadvantaged one. Good luck with your training, the ignorant are truley bliss. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
TJS Posted April 13, 2003 Posted April 13, 2003 Yeah, whatever dude, think what you want, just be careful out there. Your overconfidence in your art can be a your downfall. BJJ guys are getting their asses kicked in UFC all the time now , so don't think you've found the ultimate martial art cause you haven't. You are completely biased in your opinions and can't see the forest from the trees. You have no respect for combat arts and that's a good thing, the less you know, the more I know, and you are the disadvantaged one. Good luck with your training, the ignorant are truley bliss. BJJ guys are getting their asses kicked in UFC all the time now That is a very weak argument, no single stlye can compete with todays MMA fighters. but you know what Just about every single top Fighter today has trained in BJJ to some extent..it is just about a neccessity whether you are a wrestler or a striker or whatever...so your argument dosent hold much weight
WolverineGuy Posted April 13, 2003 Posted April 13, 2003 Hey, guys, remember the whole keeping respectful thing. BJJ has its holes in it, just like EVERY SINGLE MARTIAL ART. I've got fifteen years in spanning three martial arts...in my final art that I'm in now, I've found the most complete style for ME, and that's all that matters to me. Are there Martial Artists that could beat me in a fight? Probably...in fact I welcome it. I love learning new things, and that's one of the reasons I do this. Now, quit the childish bickering, and lets act our age. Wolverine1st Dan - Kalkinodo"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a q-tip""There is no spoon."
SevenStar Posted April 13, 2003 Posted April 13, 2003 Yeah, whatever dude, think what you want, just be careful out there. Your overconfidence in your art can be a your downfall. BJJ guys are getting their asses kicked in UFC all the time now , so don't think you've found the ultimate martial art cause you haven't. You are completely biased in your opinions and can't see the forest from the trees. You have no respect for combat arts and that's a good thing, the less you know, the more I know, and you are the disadvantaged one. Good luck with your training, the ignorant are truley bliss. LOL, I just told you everything I trained in, but yet you still focus on the bjj. You sound like someone who ran out of things to legitimately discuss... However, since you addressed it, if you notice, bjj guys cross train. If you notice, bjj guys aren't getting their butts kicked all the time, and why? because there are really no pure bjj guys in MMA anymore. they strike. boxing, muay thai, etc. in addition to grappling. Evolution is what is key and that's what many traditionalists don't see. Where are the traditional guys that are kicking MMA guys' tails? Oh, my bad... you won't find any. I've trained in several traditional styles and have plenty of respect for them. Not all of them train properly though, and that is their downfall, as recent history has shown. to the ones that do continue to evolve and that do train properly, more power to them.
SevenStar Posted April 13, 2003 Posted April 13, 2003 So basically the"HORSE STANCE" is Traditional and Transitional, thanks for the enlightenment SevenStar. I think maybe right about the horse stance, it's possilbe my Karate teacher wasn't a very good teacher. Sometimes you can have someone who is really proficient at Martial Arts, but can't teach it to save his life. Sounds like I'm real biased doesn't it? If I was, I woulda simply said "forget your stances and go train bjj" step into the light, grasshopper...
Treebranch Posted April 13, 2003 Posted April 13, 2003 SevenStar I apologize for some of my comments, some were huge generalizations, I'm TAPPING OUT on this, Thanks. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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