JerryLove Posted April 11, 2003 Share Posted April 11, 2003 What about Navy Seals?, Army Rangers?, Green Berets?, Special Ops?, Etc.... Nope, SpecOps focuses on force multiplication more than anything else.... strong mission specialists capable of integraing with and training indegenous forces. While most SpecOps groups get generally heavier training than standard operations groups, the same emphasis applies. The job of a member of SpecOps is to train others and to perform unusual and deep-insertion tasks... with their weapons.Are you kidding with us, where did you get this info from? Dennis Rovere, whose martial career has centered on heading over to China and training with the Chinese millitary forces. When I open up my PODS next week I can find his artical on Chinese millitary knife-fighting where he plainly states what I said. Also if we are talking about the Military in General than you would have to research all Military training from around the world to make your huge generalizations be true. Actually, I was speaking of the US millitary... but it's a generally true statement worldwide. The country that spends time on HtH wastes time that could be spent on discipline, training for their primary role, communications, etc. Many career soldiers in the US armed forces train in martial arts, and probably have more time to do so than you or I, think about it.I addressed that when I said: "That said, they pretty much all encourage personell to spend time and effor into learning martial-arts..." - JerryLove Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:16 pm So, please try to read what I said and respond to the topic at hand rather than the uninformed rant you are currently persuing. https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted April 11, 2003 Share Posted April 11, 2003 So you're right, and I will stop PERSUING UNINFORNED RANT. OK, feel better, now breath with me, inhale, exhale, all is good in the world. Well you made me realized that I could probably jack a military guy as long as he's away from his gun. Thanks, JerryLove. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 very true, But Krav Maga does have groundfighting incase it ends up there..it's more of how to either hurt them or get up as quickly as possible though instead of working for a submission. And that's exactly how groundfighting should be approached. I've got respect for BJJ, but I don't think going for a submission in a combat situation is very useful. Yes, you can just use the proper force for a break, but what happens if you get caught in a stand-up fight? On the same token, what happens when a striker is on the ground? that's why people cross train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 Primarily, soldiers do not enter unarmed combat. They deploy in groups, and with weapons, and the time away from learning to fight with a rifle, or with a tank in order to improve unarmed skills is time misspent. To quote one Army seargents "I'm gonna teach you enough to get you killed". That said, it would be wrong to think that the millitary trains and-to-hand in order to teach specific skills... they don't. What the millitary sees value in is training discipline and aggression... and they see the CQB program as a way to make more aggressive soldiers. That said, they pretty much all encourage personell to spend time and effor into learning martial-arts... but from a trainign perspective.. it's just not important. Good post. I've been told the same thing about the cqb and aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 So you're right, and I will stop PERSUING UNINFORNED RANT. OK, feel better, now breath with me, inhale, exhale, all is good in the world. Well you made me realized that I could probably jack a military guy as long as he's away from his gun. Thanks, JerryLove. Don't forget the agression factor. Whether they are well trained or not, they are monsters because of the aggression. A guy I train bjj with was ranked 3rd in the WORLD in judo. he's now a purple belt in bjj, and extremely aggressive.... he was a SEAL. his MA training didn't come from there, but his aggression sure did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJS Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 On the same token, what happens when a striker is on the ground? that's why people cross train No, the point was KM does have ground fighting incase you get there but you goal is to get up instead of go for a submission attempt...although we do learn them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 yeah, I know....that's not what I was addressing. I was addressing this: "but what happens if you get caught in a stand-up fight?" it sounds like an assumption that grappler's can't strike, which may be false. Also, on the ground, one just wouldn't got for submission. Even he he did, and the guy is untrained and doesn't know to tap, what happens? something gets snapped. That's actually happened in competitions where a guy didn't tap as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJS Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 and the guy is untrained and doesn't know to tap, what happens? I would hope that you would not be waiting for a tap in a real fight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKJ1216 Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 If I was ever put in a submission move I'd probably be in too much pain to relize that I have to tap to get out. White Belt- Shudokan Karate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 and the guy is untrained and doesn't know to tap, what happens? I would hope that you would not be waiting for a tap in a real fight.. LOL, of course not.... just illustrating a point. even if he did wait for a sub, he'd break it, as the guy wouldn't tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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