Sparring methods for combative arts.

[TJS]

No one has argued that those should be the sole of your skill... I certainly have not. Such techniques are just like any other randomly chosen techniques... part of a repituae that, in whole, hopefully lets you survive.

 

no one was saying otherwise on this thread..i was just randomly blithering

[Treebranch]

Sure in most Sport MA's you can full contact spar with proper gear and this will prepare you for competition. This won't prepare you for a real fight on the street, you can't replicate a real fight. The reason Combat Arts don't spar full contact is that all the students would be injured all the time. The techniques are taught to teach how to move effeciently, balanced, fluidly, to use the least amount of effort or strength. Since in a real fight there is no referree and no corner to throw the towel in. You need to conserve your energy in a real fight, you may need it. Also I want to point out that in a STREET FIGHT you don't know what your opponent knows, he may have a weapon, if his friend will jump in, and all the infinite factors of a real fight.

 

Ko man said this: "Full contact is what you should train in as anything else is like playing tig."

 

I'd love to train with someone full contact in Budo Taijutsu, but they won't be coming back to class.

 

So should I train with a live blade too, and a real knife, should I really stab my training partner, come on, punching and kicking with proper gear is fine, but you don't see BJJ guys breaking each others bones in practice or no one would come back, they tap out it's safer that way.

 

Even Military personnel train on simulators and they do extremely well on their first mission, so think about it a little.

[TJS]

Since in a real fight there is no referree and no corner to throw the towel in. You need to conserve your energy in a real fight, you may need it

 

I cant belive i just read that...

 

The fact is A full contact NHB fighter is going ot be able to handle himself in a real fight...more so than just about anyone out there.

[JerryLove]

Real fights are generally quite short; conserving your energy is not a terribly high priority.

 

I think NHB fighers would tend to do well based on the devition / intensity of training, more than a belief that NHB randori is the best rraining option.

[Treebranch]

Jerrylove said : "I think NHB fighers would tend to do well based on the devition / intensity of training, more than a belief that NHB randori is the best rraining option."

 

So every effective fighter in history trained the way your suggesting? There is only one effective way of training? Also a one on one street fight can be short, but how do you know for sure? Don't underestimate someone on the street, you know that. I've been in enough street fights to know that I can handle myself in one, and I only truely became effective after training in Kung Fu San Soo years ago, and we don't full contact spar. I took Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Lima Lama, and we sparred full contact, but we never covered every scenario of a real fight. How can I full contact spar, if I kick to your groin, or I hammer blow to your nose, or choke you from behind and throw your head onto the pavement? Keep thinking what you want, but again over confidence is your weakness.

 

And TJS believe it! The fact is you can't replicate a street fight, of course any martial artist that has good training will handle himself better than an AVERAGE JOE, but when I kick boxed I was never scared of my opponent, I didn't get an adrenaline dump, but a street fight that's a whole different ball of wax.

[JerryLove]

So every effective fighter in history trained the way your suggesting? There is only one effective way of training?

 

I fail to see where you have drawn that conclusion from my post.

Also a one on one street fight can be short, but how do you know for sure? Don't underestimate someone on the street, you know that.

 

Protracted "streetfights" are quite uncommon. This is not an underestimation of the opponent, I never said you'd win... I just said it won't be very lengthy.

I've been in enough street fights to know that I can handle myself in one, and I only truely became effective after training in Kung Fu San Soo years ago, and we don't full contact spar.

 

Name the street fight (not frendly brawl, I mean the fight where you were trying to put one another in the hospita) that lasted a long time and let me know how long it lasted. I'm sure you can recall one.

I took Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Lima Lama, and we sparred full contact, but we never covered every scenario of a real fight. How can I full contact spar, if I kick to your groin, or I hammer blow to your nose, or choke you from behind and throw your head onto the pavement? Keep thinking what you want, but again over confidence is your weakness.

I'm the one pushing slow-motion sparring and have been posting *against* relying on "full contact" sparring as your primary tool.

And TJS believe it! The fact is you can't replicate a street fight, of course any martial artist that has good training will handle himself better than an AVERAGE JOE, but when I kick boxed I was never scared of my opponent, I didn't get an adrenaline dump, but a street fight that's a whole different ball of wax.

 

TJS has been reasonably sided with me here. He merely stated (and quite correctly) that most NHB fighters will do extremely well "on the street".

[Treebranch]

I apologize to both of you, I misquoted you both, just can't stand it when people compare Sport Arts with Combat Arts, they usually don't know what they're talking about, it's annoying.

 

"I think that better general training come from slow-motion than from speed; but without occassionally "mixing it up", I see the exact same problem that you do."

 

I agree totally with your statement here, and again I apologize to you both TJS, and JerryLove.

 

By the way the street fight I was in lasted to hits, one to the groin, and hammer fist to the nose. The problem was his 7 friends didn't like that too much and came at me, and I ran my butt off. I didn't start it either, he threw the first punch and I moved and began my attack.

 

I agree mixing it up is probably the most efficient and realistic way of training in a Wholistic Martial Art.

[King of Fighters]

We usually do light sparring, or heavy sparring with all the equiptment and pads on.

[TJS]

it's cool treebranch, but i would like ot make a few comments

How can I full contact spar, if I kick to your groin

 

We do spar with groin kicks ..but we do wear a cup/shin gaurds.

or choke you from behind

 

we also train for this, rear naked choke, bar arm choke, two hand choke etc..but it's not really something you can spar with because if someone chokes me from behind it's obviously by suprise.

[AndrewGreen]

I wouldn't want to use them on someone who I couldn't beat without them, good chance I'd just get them used back on me worse...