Sparring methods for combative arts.

[TJS]

How does going hard negate technique? A good technique is one which hits its target... hard.

 

Mostly no rules, just keep it friendly. Hit as hard as both are comfortable with.

 

that said no heel hooks or neck cranks for beginners, don't break fingers.

 

because when you spar "full contact" you tend to loose technique..I am a firm beliver ini heavy contact sparring...but i think it's also smart so slow it down every now and then and work on technique.

[AndrewGreen]

Techniques are best learnt in the environment they will be used.

 

There is a place for bag work and pad work, but sparring is where technique is really developed. If you develop your technique in slow sparring that is where it will stay, if you want to develop technique for hard sparring then hard sparring is the place to do it.

[TJS]

Techniques are best learnt in the environment they will be used.

 

There is a place for bag work and pad work, but sparring is where technique is really developed. If you develop your technique in slow sparring that is where it will stay, if you want to develop technique for hard sparring then hard sparring is the place to do it.

 

You also have to develop the technique in sparring.

[AndrewGreen]

huh?

 

reread what I wrote...

 

Thats what I said, develop it in sparring, hard sparring if you want to spar hard.

[TJS]

huh?

 

reread what I wrote...

 

Thats what I said, develop it in sparring, hard sparring if you want to spar hard.

 

I do spar hard the majority of the time, however I think you should slow down ocassionally and work on spefiic tehcniqes it's a simple as that.

[AndrewGreen]

Why do you feel that you can't work those techniques hard, why the need to slow it down?

 

Nothing against slowing down once and a while, but not for those reasons.

[TJS]

Why do you feel that you can't work those techniques hard, why the need to slow it down?

 

Nothing against slowing down once and a while, but not for those reasons.

 

because you like i said when people are sparring Full contact as in the same way you would in a fight your techniques gets sloppy...you usually have to slow down occasionally and foucus on it if you want it to be there when you pick it back up.

[JerryLove]

Full contact is what you should train in as anything else is like playing tig.

Which one is "full contact"?

Mostly no rules, just keep it friendly. Hit as hard as both are comfortable with.

So then "full contact" is "light contact"? Or do you have a level other than "light" that you like those knees to the groin and nose and neck?

that said no heel hooks or neck cranks for beginners, don't break fingers.

What about putting an elbow in front of an oncoming fist? What about biting? What about grabbing of earrings or the like? What about eye jabs? What about throat jabs? What about throws that drop someone on their neck? How common are these "full contact"?

Techniques are best learnt in the environment they will be used.

Really? Every major martial artist I can think of has made statements indicating that he would disagree with you. I can't think of any art that does not initially teach "step-by-step" and walk through things.

There is a place for bag work and pad work, but sparring is where technique is really developed. If you develop your technique in slow sparring that is where it will stay, if you want to develop technique for hard sparring then hard sparring is the place to do it.

From personal experience I know this to be simply wrong. The school I attend has been in-place teaching for more than a decade, and we've certainly had students get in fights. We have never had any difficulty with the effect of speed; nor do we have any difficulty in the occasional "full speed" fights that occur within the school.

 

You are always pulling something... weather it's speed, technique, or power. If you are not pulling anything, and you are not injuring your sparring partent, how do you expect to injure your opponent?

 

It's not weather you pull that is the question, it's what.

[AndrewGreen]

So then "full contact" is "light contact"? Or do you have a level other than "light" that you like those knees to the groin and nose and neck?

 

What about putting an elbow in front of an oncoming fist? What about biting? What about grabbing of earrings or the like? What about eye jabs? What about throat jabs? What about throws that drop someone on their neck? How common are these "full contact"?

 

Why automatically resort to biting and eye gouging? If that is all you can do you've waisted a lot of time and money on useless training.

 

Elbow blocks are fine, the rest are not keeping it friendly. They are also not things any trained fighter should ever need to resort to against an untrained fighter. And since the only trained fighters you will be likely to fight will be fighting you on friendly terms there really is no need for them.

 

That said they are really not that hard to add in, for the superior fighter. The weaker fighter will likely just make the superior one really mad and tell him it is ok to do those things back.

 

 

Really? Every major martial artist I can think of has made statements indicating that he would disagree with you. I can't think of any art that does not initially teach "step-by-step" and walk through things.

 

Being able to go through it step by step does not mean you've learnt it. Being able to do it against a fully resisting opponent does.

 

Having someone walk you step by step on how to drive a car in a simulator or stationary car does not mean you know how to drive, actually driving the car is how you learn to drive.

From personal experience I know this to be simply wrong. The school I attend has been in-place teaching for more than a decade, and we've certainly had students get in fights. We have never had any difficulty with the effect of speed; nor do we have any difficulty in the occasional "full speed" fights that occur within the school.

 

Nobody said it doesn't work at all, just not as well as it could. martial arts schools world wide have done some really dumb things in the name of "good training."

You are always pulling something... weather it's speed, technique, or power. If you are not pulling anything, and you are not injuring your sparring partent, how do you expect to injure your opponent?

 

I suggest you turn on the sports channel and watch some boxing, kickboxing, MMA, or any other full contact event. Now ask yourself how those guys can be training and still alive.

[AndrewGreen]

because you like i said when people are sparring Full contact as in the same way you would in a fight your techniques gets sloppy...you usually have to slow down occasionally and foucus on it if you want it to be there when you pick it back up.

 

No I didn't, you did. I said work on technique while going hard, not do them seperate.