fireka Posted April 4, 2003 Posted April 4, 2003 Hi all, Okay, lets face it, theres a big facination in modern day martial arts community with the 'secret art'. you know, the one that supposedly only exist to a few people and was written by some aincient sage in the year 1 with a bunch of zeros BC. this is mostly created by hollywood of course, but its cause what i belive to be a great error in our society. Few of us actually train in some aincient mystic martial art, but we do tend to be more attracted typically to the more rare ones. This includes rarer forms of karate. Now i am a shotokan artist, and i love it, in my opinion its probably one of the greatest arts out there. However its been getting ragged on alot, and i keep hurring this over and over: 'its the most popular form of karate" which i find intresting since it seem everybody i meet is either kempo, or american style (spits on the floor). I want this topic to be a bit of a cheerleading session if that all right. Whats wrong with shotokan? whats good about it? and why is popular bad, isnt there a reason so many choose shotokan? just as a pill advertises 'most perscribed by doctors' theres probably a good reason for its popularited, and as a practioner, i DEFINITLY wont buy that its EASY or CHEAP. "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
TJS Posted April 4, 2003 Posted April 4, 2003 I'll say one comment- popularity amoung avg people is by far not the best judge of a stlyes effectivness, im just speaking in general here.
fireka Posted April 4, 2003 Author Posted April 4, 2003 your absolutely right, just like popularity is definitly not the best source of fasion critique 9i hate aber crombie and finch) but that dosent mean aeropostal is nesaciarily bad clothes. i mean, there made of good matrial and they dont tear real easy. So why should popularity kill a good arts credibility? im sure you can agree with me there. when i started shotokan, i honestly didnt know to much about it, i thought it was actually fairly rare since i only knew of one dojo near me that taught it. I most certainly dont like it cause its popular. i like it cause its agressive and well formed and lets face it, i like it because i think im pretty good at it! i have a body type that fits well with this style. "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
TJS Posted April 4, 2003 Posted April 4, 2003 use Muay thai for example...arguably the most effective stand up fighting style in the world..has the highest succes rate by far and has proven itself in challenge matches time and again. but it's not nearly as popular as TKD or karate for instance..why? because 90% of americans dont want to go through " the real deal"..they wouldent want to endure the training and conditioning.
BKJ1216 Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 (edited) Why did you "(spits on the floor") at the mention of kenpo and american style? BTW There is a nice website I know of that wil make a fight between two serach terms. Basically it tells how many results you get for each one I'll list the results of as many styles I know aginst shotokan. (in https://www.googlefight.com terms of popularity, also shotokan got 121,000) shotokan vs. kenpo: shotokan by 30,000 shotokan vs. goju-ryu: shotkan by 92,000 shotokan vs. uechi-ryu: shotokan by 114,000 shotokan vs. shudokan: shotokan by 117,000 shotokan vs. shito-ryu: shotokan by 106,000 shotokan vs. sorin-ryu: shotkan by 107,000 shotokan vs. wado-ryu: shotokan by 104,000 shotokan vs. kyokushin: shotokan by about 89,000 shotkan vs. chito-ryu: shotokan by 119,000 ... I probably know more but I can't htink of them at the moment Edited April 5, 2003 by BKJ1216 White Belt- Shudokan Karate
fireka Posted April 5, 2003 Author Posted April 5, 2003 let me correct my comment. i think kempo is a great art. i only spat at the floor to american style, because i belive all that is is dumbing down a good art and sucking all the culture out of it. Are you claiming that shotokan is a poor art? why is it i get nothing but negitive feedback everytime i post something! surely someone must agree with me, i mean this seemed to me to be common sense. and what did i say before, shotokan isnt cheap or easy, so there you are wrong. "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
BKJ1216 Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 let me correct my comment. i think kempo is a great art. i only spat at the floor to american style, because i belive all that is is dumbing down a good art and sucking all the culture out of it. Are you claiming that shotokan is a poor art? why is it i get nothing but negitive feedback everytime i post something! surely someone must agree with me, i mean this seemed to me to be common sense. and what did i say before, shotokan isnt cheap or easy, so there you are wrong.Well I for one was not calling shotokan a poor art. I don't know if you were talking to someone else or not. White Belt- Shudokan Karate
fireka Posted April 5, 2003 Author Posted April 5, 2003 TJS, i just thought of someything, thanks. ive been thinking lately about who i want to challange first when i get into mixed martial arts comps (the thing that intrest me most about TMA) it will be a proven fighter of muay thai, ill iliminate the idea that shotokan is inferior and my hatred for korean arts in one blow.! "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
BKJ1216 Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 TJS, i just thought of someything, thanks. ive been thinking lately about who i want to challange first when i get into mixed martial arts comps (the thing that intrest me most about TMA) it will be a proven fighter of muay thai, ill iliminate the idea that shotokan is inferior and my hatred for korean arts in one blow.! You wanna see a shotokan fighter get absolutley screwed by a BBJ artist? BTW why do you hate korean arts? White Belt- Shudokan Karate
fireka Posted April 5, 2003 Author Posted April 5, 2003 oh, sensai i didnt see the rest of your first mesage. could you explain what those stats mean? im a little confused, and i was aiming the shotokan thing at TJS, i forgot his name as i was wrighting the reply, sorry. "i could dance like that!.......if i felt like it...." -Master Betty
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