Nai Khanom Tom Posted April 4, 2003 Posted April 4, 2003 QUOTE : "Have u ever been in a serious fight without a judge and a ring" To answer that, yes I have, and to be honest I have been in quite a few street fights... sometimes I have been in a big brawl with my mates and sometimes one on one. I was brought up living in a rough nieghbour hood, fighting goes with the territory. I dont boast about it and I dont like to show off my record or my scars... the only way to know if you are cracked up to be what you say you are is by fighting. simple. A lot of martial artists cannot fight... I am trying to not be offensive, I will try to word this correctly. Most know their art form well and they have a lot of grace and beautiful posture while executing particular techniques... but I have and probably will continue to defeat ranking Kung Fu artists and Karate, ok ok I am boasting a little but what do you want me to say? I would gladfully say what was correct if it were to be proven to me by physical contact that Muay Thai is not the ultimate martial art (for me anyhow it is the ultimate) It has not failed me yet, I have taken 2 men at the same time in Sydney Australia while on holiday, one had a small stick and both were asian, the older one tried to kick me, yes!! kick on the street I dropped him and I dropped the other pretty quickly. That is me and that is my attitude in a fight and I will not stop. I am not boasting and here is a link to one of my very first fights ever. http://www.prokick.com/Events/April01/ScotlandApril0.htm My name is Darran Thompson and I fought the guy called Steve Kitchiner. this guy was strong and hammered me good in the first round. My kicking Technique is Muay Thai. Muay Thai is not only a ring sport, Muay Thai is 2000 years old and has defended Thailand. Thailand is the Only S.East Asian country never to foreignly colonised... ask youself why. There are countless strories about Muay Thai bouts between the Burmese, these no glove fights, groin hits allowed no pause inbetween rounds... is this what you had imagined Muay Thai was? What you see and probably know about Muay Thai is maybe limited, the basic knee and elbow strikes... It is the science of the eight limbs, that is all parts of your body. The only flaw which I see in Muay Thai and have been explained why there is no real reason for there not being a good solid counter is : when you are floored there isnt much you can do, there is limitations, I asked why and the reason was "you never want to find youself on the ground in the first place" in other words you fight till you are beaten and if you are beaten then that is it, the Thais posses this sick kind of ability to carry on, I can guarantee that you may think you can take a Thai in a bout in or out of the ring but you will find in extremely tough. Unless you are a seasoned fighter. I am talking guys who are 23 and have 300+ fights under their belts, fights with the ferocity of a street fight. That is something to respect not many fighters can bast fight records such as those that Thais hold. read this, http://krurex.tripod.com/history.htm http://www.usadojo.com/aboutmuaythai.htm goodluck
TJS Posted April 4, 2003 Posted April 4, 2003 Thai fighters are extremly tough in general...that would carry over well to the streets imo.
Tombstone Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 Good points (the moment your dreading) BUT....... I could show you just as many people that suck at muay thai as i could show you that dominate with muay thai. I fight NHB (if i decide to go back) and yes muay thai is involved. Just thought I'd say that before someone said I had no experience with it.
BKJ1216 Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 I hate knowing that I picked a art that can be beat so easily. If only I had known about Muay Thai before I chose karate. White Belt- Shudokan Karate
Tombstone Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 BKJ1216, All styles are effective. If not they wouldn't be around.
Nai Khanom Tom Posted April 5, 2003 Author Posted April 5, 2003 BKJ1216 where are you? in which country? If in the UK there are some very good Muay Thai instructors, Master Sken, Sandy Holt (ex-karate) Sitnarong Mauy Thai. If you are of good physical build and have what it takes to endure Muay Thai training I would recommend that you spend a month or even longer in a Thai Boxing camp in Thailand. You will learn much more and much quicker. There are plenty to choose from and all with their own distinct style of attack and dicipline. Try to join a full thai camp (can be tough to convince the Thai who runs the camp you are worthy) because many camps that train mostly foreigners have been diluted, in other words you wont get 100% Muay Thai training... pain endurance! The Thais get very frustrated if you show a lack of commitment or ability to perform the roundhouse kick to their standards (Muay Thai roundhouse is the most powerful in all martial art forms, I am not being biased) You can have a fight every 2 weeks if you are up to it, I having dislocated my toe and cracked the tip of my shin bone along with various other injuries couldnt keep up with the Thai boxers... that is the reason why hey are so tough, some Thais I knew actually fought every night!!! EVERY NIGHT! while they were only show fights they did hit each other and hit each other hard. The usual is 3-4 competition fights a month, now try to imagine carrying an injury into another fight and then having to train hard 6 hours a day and then into another fight and so on.... man it is tough, it is one of the most toughest things I have possibily ever done in my life. You get hit and hurt that much that pain is basicly always there, there is no thought for belts but only those won in competition, the atmosphere is electric, the training focuses on power and defeating your oponent in the quickest and most effecient way possible... it is a matter of grabbing and viciously attacking your oponent till he drops that is how simple Muay Thai is and that is why it is so ferociously effective, there are no rules and routines only combonations and power.... I was always told to be like a snake, stand loose on the balls of my feet sort of dancing always moving so as my oponent doesnt know where my next hit is coming from, stalk like a snake, slow then attack quickly and back into the slow stalking dancing movements constantly picking parts of the body, that is what I was taught. I noticed they used a lot of different animals to describe movements, Elephants and tiger etc etc. Bruce Lee was a good fighter he also studied Muay Thai, Wing Chun and conventional boxing, what he used in 'real' fights was a combination of all 3, in his movies however he used fancy kicks and techniques that in practice are not effecient weapons of attack. The most effecient weapon is speed and power, the blow from your elbow has way more pounds per square inch concentrated into one area than in your fist for instance. The kick with your foot is softened because of the foot being 'loose' which absorbs the blow but if you use your shin bone then it can be like a bassball bat, also the Kick-Boxing technique and Karate where you kick and stop without following through reduces power where as the Muay Thai kick is followed through with all of your weight coming from your hip and standing on your toes while executing the roundhouse... this gives maximum power and complete control. But to watch a guy masterfully execute a complete kung-fu form is great, it looks so graceful, it is fantastic watching guys who are good!! But I have yet to witness a full demonstration of the power I am being told these forms have... I have seen many defeated in fights who have high grades in Kung-Fu, either it is them or it is a serious flaw in the art form they have chosen. I have no grade, I hold no belt and I dont care for belts the History and tradition of Thailand and Muay Thai is enough for me, they are beautiful people and very deceptive, do not underestimate a skinny looking thai guy 5 1/2 ft tall!!!! They are extremely proud of their nations martial art and I would go as far to say 80%, if not more, of all Thais know at least the basics of Mauy Thai... you need only to watch their sports channels, life in Thailand is dominated by Muay Thai and even the Tak Raw (volley ball with the feet) has similarities in Muay Thai! I am learning Thai Language, Muay Thai and will find it difficult to switch to another art form for self defence, I have done in the past but I know now I have found the ultimate in self defence. Note : there is also a weapons form of Muay Thai called Krabikrabong... read up on it, maybe some of you guys would prefer this than Muay Thai, it is with swords. Now my fighting is over, it can be left to the firey young 18 year olds... I have had enough excuse the long replies but I feel passionate about Mauy Thai. Appologies if I seem a little biased and arrogant
TJS Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 BKJ1216, All styles are effective. If not they wouldn't be around. how do you conclude that? dont live in a dream world where "all stlyes were created equal"
Tombstone Posted April 5, 2003 Posted April 5, 2003 How do I conclude that? Because there is no dominant art. For all anyone knows, an eighty year old Aikido master could beat a twenty year old Muay Thai fighter. As for me living in a dream world,
TJS Posted April 6, 2003 Posted April 6, 2003 How do I conclude that? Because there is no dominant art. For all anyone knows, an eighty year old Aikido master could beat a twenty year old Muay Thai fighter. As for me living in a dream world, Because there is no dominant art. No single stlye has been able to cosistently beat BJJ in NHB fighting in the last 50 years. I would consider that Pretty Dominate. Many of the greatest fighters of the world have traveled to Thailand and very few have been able to gain a Victory. No single Style has been able to consistently beat Muay Thai in standup fighting. I would consider that prett dominate.an eighty year old Aikido master could beat a twenty year old Muay Thai fighter. Redicuoulous, The greatest men in history of MA have always been willing to put their skills to the test against others...Mas Oyama, Helio Gracie etc.. I could claim to be the best Basketball player in the world but I choose not to ever play a single proffesional game in my life..so what? I could claim to be the best boxer in the world and never fight a bout in my life..who would believe that? and why should they?
Tombstone Posted April 6, 2003 Posted April 6, 2003 To keep this friendly i'll stick to my original statements. You know my opinion and I'll leave it at that.
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