jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 27, 2003 Posted March 27, 2003 Here are some significant match results, you decide which one is better. PLEASE KEEP THIS TOPIC CALM. (I will do my best also). bjj has proven itself time and time again, what are all off your opinions? pride 24, nogueira beats dan henderson (wrestling+boxing) pride 1 rickson gracie beats nobuhiko takada( shoot) pride-2, royler gracie beats yuuhi sano (judo) pride-2 renzo gracie beats sanae kikuta (judo) ufc #? vitor belfort beats joe charles ( judo) efc 3, ralph gracie beats ali mihoubi (kempo karate) efc 1 ralph gracie beats makoto muraoka (shidokan karate) ufc 4, royce gracie beats dan severn (wrestling) ufc 4 royce gracie beats keith hackney (kempo karate) ufc 4, royce gracie beats ron van clief (karate) ufc 2 royce gracie beats pat smith (kickboxing and boxing) ufc2 royce gracie beats remco pardonel (judo) ufc2, royce gracie beats jason delucia (kung fu) ufc 2 royce gracie beats ichihara (daijojuku karate) ibira puera 1951 helio gracie beats kato (judo) These are only a few examples of matches that have gone on, and bjj has shown its superiority. Please do not state that they were competitions and that the karateka would of bitten+scratched etc.... any thoughts + opinions, keep it civil guys. "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Kensai Posted March 27, 2003 Posted March 27, 2003 From the results that you have posted it would seem very conclusive. Yet people still study these "inferior" arts. I guess BJJ is not for everyone. IMHO, its a game of distance: IF it goes to the ground, then only someone VERY good in something like Judo, Wrestling, Chinese Fast Wrestling, Greco Roman.....etc is going to survive. If they were doing something like Aikido, Karate, Wing Chun or Boxing they are going to get hammered. So the game for them would be to keep the BJJer standing either in a striking game or standing up submissions. Its about the better man, the one that can make his oppenent fight his game. JIMHO ofcourse. Osu.
Treebranch Posted March 27, 2003 Posted March 27, 2003 Well said Kensai. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
BKJ1216 Posted March 27, 2003 Posted March 27, 2003 Well those fights don't really matter unless you list all of the other sytles victories too. White Belt- Shudokan Karate
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 28, 2003 Author Posted March 28, 2003 ok but im not trying to defend the other styles, if you want to thats your perogative, there were maybe 3 or 4 wins by shootfighters. poor excuses ....... although I must agree with kensai it is man against man. "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Treebranch Posted March 28, 2003 Posted March 28, 2003 Well it could be that BJJ had the upper hand because they started this kind of competition and I believe The Gracies made the rules. If the rules were no going to the ground, they'd get killed, they are always taking hits and sacrificing themselves to the ground and in a street fight there are not rules, it's better to fight in an controlled environment, like a ring or dojo. BJJ is a great sport. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 28, 2003 Author Posted March 28, 2003 ok good point but , would you like me to state, present day results, these ma's have learned their lessons and do not compete anymore in the ufc or pride etc.... thats a pretty big rule, no going to the ground, the gracies may have set up the organisation but they don't own it and they themselves didn't set up the rules. get your facts straight. "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Treebranch Posted March 28, 2003 Posted March 28, 2003 Sorry, I forgot to put "I may be wrong", in my statement I just made. Sorry for not getting the facts straight. But like I said great SPORT. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 28, 2003 Author Posted March 28, 2003 I hopt soon enough mixed martial arts competitions will become, mainstream like, boxing so people don't think we're animals. "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
craknek Posted March 28, 2003 Posted March 28, 2003 But.. you are an animal JJF "A man can fail many times, but a man is not a failure until he blames someone else""I will not fear...Fear is the mind killer...I will let my fear pass right through me..." Dune.
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