jeffin Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 Fear and semi contact training. When a fight starts the adrenaline starts pumping manifesting itself as fear anger. Its proven that you experience tunnel vision to a greater or lesser degree and so hitting specific targets become more difficult so training for pinpoint accuracy can be detrimental on the street. pete, The superior man is modest in his speech, but excels in his actions.Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)Crosstraining in bjj/silat/muaythai/jkd/JJJ/kickboxing
Lee Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 Losing the ability in combining natural instinct and control in harmony, and having too many distracting thoughts (ie. fear, arrogance, etc.) When a person is being attacked his mind will generally let it's natural instinct take over instead of his control, therefore making him a very irrational and unscientific fighter. What is worse, is that if his mind becomes flooded with other thoughts and emotions such as fear, and winning or losing, etc. then he will probably lose because the person attacking has his mind set to harm your for whatever reason (be it robbery or whatnot). If you can not learn to let go of distracting thoughts, and just treat the situation as if it were like nothing and be relaxed in a real fight, then you will probably always lose. "Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Put water into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot. Now water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend."- Bruce Lee
Tigerclaw Posted April 30, 2003 Posted April 30, 2003 IMHO,i think it boils down to the individual,and what they are prepared to do to defend themselfs when the need arises.All martial arts when trained in correctly can be devastating when used correctly,and have much to offer when doing so.I do agree that good instruction is a big part of that development,but the instructor can only show you the skills necessary to defend yourself..its what you do with that knowledge that makes the diffrence. 3rd Kyu Brown BeltTo learn more about Kiyojute Ryu Kempo Bugei,goto http://www.kiyojuteryu.org/
pineapple Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 (edited) There are 2 major reasons why martial artists get beaten up in street fights.#1 Many students are taught to block and counter, then they stop or pause. In a real fight, the action is quick and continuous (normally). When a person is trained in this fashion, he goes into mental shock when he hits his opponent and his opponent is still attacking him.#2 Many students have never taken a full force hit so once again, they go into a mental shock when they actually feel themselves rocked by such a hit.Once you lose the fight mentally, you will lose the fight physically.Another thing to remember is no matter how much you train, there is always someone out there who can kick your behind. Edited March 25, 2005 by pineapple What works works
Musse Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 There are 2 major reasons why martial artists get beaten up in street fights.#1 Many students are taught to block and counter, then they stop or pause. In a real fight, the action is quick and continuous (normally). When a person is trainined in this fashion, he goes into mental shock when he hits his opponent and his opponent is still attacking him.#2 Many students have never taken a full force hit so once again, they go into a mental shock when they actually feel themselves rocked by such a hit.Yup, that's why I quitted Shotokan. We only did light point sparring and only certain (ineffective) techniques could score points. How can you learn how to fight if you only touch your opponent and then pull your punch? Also when you sparred, you didn't put much effort defending because you wouldn't get hurt even if your opponent succeeds.- Musse "Be careful: The toes you step on today may be connected to the * you'll be kissing tomorrow"
STR33T GUY Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 Question: why do some martial artists get owned in a street fight?Answer: most martial artists are poor fighters!IMHO most of the people here would loose a fight to the typical street tough guy. A minute of experience on the street is worth a year of training in the dojo.If you can’t sprawl and brawl, you can’t street fight.
Slydermv Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 Str33t guy is right. Experiance > Training... but...An average joe who knows even olympic style TKD has the advange over the average joe who knows jack....Even if you can't use techniques (say the fight goes to the ground) you are still better conditioned and stronger then the other guy... all other things being equal....
Chaz Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 You have to remeber with teachers, Leadership is an essential quality to have if your going to teach other people on your own knowledge. Even if you are an amazing martial artist, you have to be able to lead people to help them be amazing as well. Get what I'm saying? "One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say." - Will Durant
Ted T. Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 Question: why do some martial artists get owned in a street fight? Answer: most martial artists are poor fighters! Nahhh, close but no prize.The real answer is that most martial arts don't teach any fighting at all.(Some Senseis do, tho.) Ted TruscottThe Raising Canes Club
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