Can somebody tell me the diffrences.......jj

[craknek]

Again, Did Kimura beat Gracie??

[jiu-jitsu fighter]

yes but it was a match that lasted, 2 hours and 45 minutes. kimura, beat helio, with a "kimura" shoulder lock. helio was like 150lbs and kimura was like 200lbs. after the fight, Kimura was so impressed with Helio that he invited him to come train with him in japan.

[craknek]

Now hold on JJF... a lil back, we were talking about greco roman wrestling, and you commented about how Gracie beat severn... a suggestion perhaps that BJJ is better then Greco Roman.. so with Kimura beating Gracie, perhaps I can suggest then , that Judo is better then BJJ... using your logic and philosphy of course

[JohnnyS]

BJJ has changed and evolved immensley in the last 30 years, especially the last 10 years.

[craknek]

Ok.. Not following your point on that?

[dark_adjudication]

craknek, Isn't it supposed to be:

 

"I will not fear,

 

Fear is the mind killer,

 

I will face my fears,

 

I will let them pass through me..."

 

or was that just the mini-series?

 

Back to the original question. The difference between jj schools is the same as the difference between any martal art.

 

MA started their development long ago when some dude got in a fight, did something that worked and won. Remembering what he did, he then refined it, called it a technique and taught it to his family(clan, tribe, ryu, ect.). Put a bunch of technques together and you have a MA provided your family lives long enough to pass it down.

 

All the jj schools out there had a collection of techniques, skills, tactics that worked and they lived (some technique being barrowed from other schools). There were jj schools that are not around today because of inferior technique or just bad luck.

 

A martial art is nothing more that a set of military techniques (martial means "of or pertaining to Mars" the Roman God of war). What the US Army does with an M-16 or a tank is a martial art.

 

Japanese martial arts originated in China. They were brought to China from India by the monk Da Mo (the Bodhidarma). The were probably brought to India by that Army of Alexander the Great. There are some out there who believe that Alex got the arts from roving bands of Celtic warriors. Since the Celts had no writen records there is no way of proving it.

 

That's the difference between jj schools...

[JohnnyS]

Craknek, I was merely pointing out that BJJ now is very different from when Helio fought Kimura.

 

I will point out that Greco-Roman is a very powerful form of wrestling and getting suplexed onto your head will very quickly finish the fight. Randy Couture, former UFC Champion was very successful with it.

[craknek]

I am glad someone recognizes the power of Greco Roman.

 

Well, when I heard it Johnny, I was like "man, that sounds nifty.. Ilike that", however, I just changed it a lil bit, shortended it up... still the same effect =).

[TJS]

Now hold on JJF... a lil back, we were talking about greco roman wrestling, and you commented about how Gracie beat severn... a suggestion perhaps that BJJ is better then Greco Roman.. so with Kimura beating Gracie, perhaps I can suggest then , that Judo is better then BJJ... using your logic and philosphy of course

 

First off no one has said greco roman isint effective, but if they dont learn submissions they will proabably get caught in one.

Gracie beat severn... a suggestion perhaps that BJJ is better then Greco Roman

 

severn was ALOT bigger than royce, and dont try and say Severn understimated him, he wint into that night knowing Royce was the undefeated -undisputed champion of the UFC.

Kimura beating Gracie, perhaps I can suggest then , that Judo is better then BJJ

 

this is just the same, Helio was considered a huge underdog going against the much larger JJ champion and yet still put up an amazing fight.

 

Kimura himself said -

if a man so slight could resist for 3 minutes, he should be considered the winner of the match

both matches point to the effectivness of BJJ

[craknek]

As far as Severn losing... He was past his prime. Severn did not fight like he did when he was younger, and that is fact. As he aged... he became more of a brute fighter... kinda like Tank Abbott. except more versatile and technical. As I said, I would have liked to see that fight with both in there prime..

 

As for gracie losing... the bottom line is, he lost. Just as JFF pointed out to me when gracie beat Severn. I mean, really, lets face it... why make excuses.. Severn lost, fair and square... and Gracie lost, fair and square... no excuses lol.

 

As for Greco Roman not knowing submissons... I would like to see someone get slammed on there head... or suplexed onto something harder then a mat lol.. and freestyle greco roman does incorporate Some submissons....usually they require the attacker to get on top..

 

Nick