craknek Posted March 24, 2003 Posted March 24, 2003 Someone who is an avid fan of Bruce Lee, once told me that JKD itself is not a style, but rather a concept. That he created JKD to fit his needs as a Martial Artist... and not him fitting the needs of a Martial Art, which if true, I agree with 100%. Could someone offer me some angles on this concept. "A man can fail many times, but a man is not a failure until he blames someone else""I will not fear...Fear is the mind killer...I will let my fear pass right through me..." Dune.
NinjaMaster Posted March 24, 2003 Posted March 24, 2003 I think that at this stage JKD is as good as a style in istself because all the good moves have been extracted. Once this was done and these are the moves taught you enter the stage where you produce students who have a very similar fighting style. I believe that you then have a new style although the principal remains.
Lee Posted March 25, 2003 Posted March 25, 2003 Jeet Kune Do in my opinion is really a concept, not a style. You must be formless, flexible and able to adapt to any situation. You are not taught any moves, forms, routines, countermoves against other moves, etc. Instead you are taught how to go down the path to find out all these things for yourself. JKD encourages you to go out and expose yourself to other fighting arts, you should however definately not look on styles as seperate ways or doctrines, but rather as parts of the whole truth. Keep what is useful, disreguard what's not. However you must use your own judgement to decide. Therefore any person's JKD will be different from anothers, as JKD must be your own unique expression and ultimate truth accumulated from self discovered knowledge. "Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Put water into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot. Now water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend."- Bruce Lee
craknek Posted March 25, 2003 Author Posted March 25, 2003 WOW LEE!!!! So... your saying, that in JKD, anyone can learn JKD?? So, lets say you studied boxing, and lets say a lil bit of TKD, Kickboxing, and Wing Chun and its JKD? Nick "A man can fail many times, but a man is not a failure until he blames someone else""I will not fear...Fear is the mind killer...I will let my fear pass right through me..." Dune.
Lee Posted March 25, 2003 Posted March 25, 2003 WOW LEE!!!! So... your saying, that in JKD, anyone can learn JKD?? So, lets say you studied boxing, and lets say a lil bit of TKD, Kickboxing, and Wing Chun and its JKD? Nick Yeah pretty much! lol Jeet Kune Do is just a name, even Bruce acknowledged that. Infact he later regretted giving his art a name at all since by doing so people would automatically consider it a "style" instead of it being something unique to ones ownself, and therefore it would be just as restrictive as any other martial art style. It's all up to you, your JKD must be your own unique form of expression and art. However, I would not consider mixed martial arts as truly JKD unless you actually went to a real JKD class to get the philosophical aspects. It's the philosophy of JKD that seperates it from mixed martial arts. "Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Put water into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot. Now water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend."- Bruce Lee
NinjaMaster Posted March 25, 2003 Posted March 25, 2003 I did JKD for about a year and i would say from what i have seen that it is now %100 a style even if thats not what people want it to be. Sorry!
Lee Posted March 30, 2003 Posted March 30, 2003 I would have to say that the JKD place you went to was probably not certified then. Either that, or it was taught by an instructor teaching his own JKD techniques and having others copy it, which is NOT real JKD. JKD has to be your own unique expression, not another's. "Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Put water into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot. Now water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend."- Bruce Lee
Kaju_influenced Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 NinjaMaster said did JKD for about a year and i would say from what i have seen that it is now %100 a style even if thats not what people want it to be. Sorry! I beleive u are wrong JDK has ofcourse its foundation of Kickboxing wing chun as so on.. Lee saidJeet Kune Do in my opinion is really a concept, not a style. You must be formless, flexible and able to adapt to any situation ...which is correct bruce always said and Sifu Dan Inosanto will also concur that one must absorb what is usefull and reject what is useless and ultimately adapt it to what is generaly ur own, making JDK a concept one must grow from not a style that one is binded by KEEP TRAINING AND ALWAYS WORK HARD AT IT! "Sweat more in the dojo,bleed less in the street"Kajukenbo fighters axiom.
NinjaMaster Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 Problem is that work has already been done. Go to JKD and you get shown what they think works. You cant go to JKD classes if you are following the concept because the work has been done for you. You need to study various systems and make your own from it with what works for you. JKD has already stripped down systems and shows you what someone else thinks works. That does not really stick to the concept does it? It makes it a system on its own.
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