To be honest...

[TJS]

Yes, it's unfortunate that during training in class, we can't do a "no-holds barred" type of fighting on another person. This type of training would definitely be good preparation for a street fight, but then again...I don't want to go home with a massive headache. So, we have to be content with elbow striking on the big muay thai hand shields.

 

While I may not practice your art, you MT guys have some awesome hand targets

 

I agree that elbows are one of the more difficult weapons to train/spar with. I actually train in Krav Maga, we spar with kicks anywhere(including the groin) knees to the body and light knees to the head, punches anywhere except the throat and usally do light/medium contact with elbows unless you and your partner want to pick up the contact.

 

my main arguments with TKD sparring is the lack of leg kicks and punches to the face...both are huge advantages in a real fight.

[craknek]

yea, Im not sure why TKD gets picked on either?? I mean, the way I see it is like this, TKD has a gripload of kicks (80% kicks, 20% punches). Not all kicks are to the head, alot are to the body as well, and some can be improvised to hit below the waist. if a TKDist was to condition his feet and shins, man.. that guy would do some devestating power... .. Afterall, the whole leg and shin conditioning works for MT kickboxers.. and they do alot of kicks.

 

The beauty about kicking is real simple also.. power. There is so much more power in legs then in your arms. When you develop enough leg strength and technique, when blocking kicks, it doesnt matter, your gonna feel the impact anyway. If you dont block, your gonna feel alot more then that! I remember I was watching a UFC match, and this guy swung a side kick.. the guy blocked with his arm.. needless to say, the guy blocked the kick, but his arm was broken. Not many punches that I know, will do that to someone who blocks =).Not to mention, in real street fights, imagine being kicked by someone who has hard leather shoes or steel toed boots on... oh my god the pain!! I think TKDists who get in fights, get to caught up in the drama of trying to do flying kicks and flashing crap instead of using what would be really effective (kicking in the knees, hips, groin ribs etc etc)... or people who pick on TKD just say that because other people do. I would never ever ever wanna take on my instructor in a real fight somewhere on the streets.

[ninjanurse]

My TKD school only did olympic style sparring (high kicks, etc) on rare occasions (although many Olympic team members came from my school's association)..we mostly trained to be able to spar in open tournaments with all styles. Targets of opportunity with finishing techniques were always taught in drills and class matches-practical and efficient, not flashy or high. Just because a school teaches TKD does not means that it should be assumed that they teach high, flashy, and impractical techniques to their students. TKd is a lot more traditional and diverse than some realise.

 

[TJS]

kicking also leaves you open if you miss, you should also train to fight from the clinch, TKD tends to foucus on long range and pucning range, althought it's nice to keep that range clinch fighting usually plays a big part in fights.

[craknek]

Yea, TKD is more of a distance art. If you do move in close, its only to do a combo, and then you pop back out.. to make some distance.

 

If you wanna learn to fight in close.. just do some training in JJ, or Korean ChongDoKwan or Combat Hapkido.

 

Nick D.

[IAMA_chick]

if you are getting attacked just punch them in the throat and gouge their eyeballs out! nasty to think about but that is what my instructor always tells me b/c i'm a girl and i am more likely to get attaacked and stuff.

[craknek]

In my off time, I do study some USMC strikes and takedowns. Very effectice for close quarters. Simple ways to immobilze someone to close to you:

 

1. Kick or knee to the groin

 

2. Pull there ear, if they wish to show hostility to you, pull it off

 

3. Jab just below the adams apple, to stun, or punch to takedown. Same thing for the side of the neck

 

4. Knife edge chop bridge of nose, very very sensitive area in the face.

 

5. Eye gouge

 

6. Chin Jab (not really a jab... more like a palm smash into the guys chin with the intent of dislocating it)

 

7. Ear Smash (cuff your hands slightly and smash teh guys ears... The blow will make his hearing go away or be muffled temp. and it has a chance to knock them out)

 

8. Quick Thumb Jab to Temple (Hit the side of his temple with the knuckle of your thumb to stun, hit harder to kill)

 

9. Shin Slide-works best if you have boots on) bring your leg up and then lunge it down on his shin and continue to push and slide ur heel down his shin.... yes, very painful. At the very end of the kick, if done properly, when your heel makes contact with the angle joint, you should be able to sprain or break his ankle as well)

 

10. heel kick to knee (Just do a toe or heel kick to the side of the knee, where knee cap is to dislocate cap)

 

Those are about 10 moves from one of the USMC's hand to hand combat book... all of them, can be done with easy use and pretty fast speed. Yes, some of them are gross as far as what they do... but hey, its what they get for trying to bully you, rob you, kill you, mug you etc etc

 

Nick

[AnonymousCoward]

Those moves seem very similar to the Fairburn & Skykes methods taught to the very early SAS... All good.

 

For those interested, you can download some of the manuals given to new recruits at: http://www.gutterfighting.org

 

Complete with victims dressed in WWII German uniforms!

[craknek]

yep, that is where most of the USMC combat manuel came from. In fact, Defendo (https://www.defendo.com) uses alot of Fairburn stuff.... the reason why its so effective, is because really, its no non-sense, bone breaking, basic moves. =).

 

Nick

[BKJ1216]

Fury"]I have said this before, but here it is again:

 

In the real world, Martial Arts will only be effective when it becomes a reaction not an action.

 

Meaning: When you don't have to think about what you are doing to defend yourself, and you just defend, then you cannot be so easily taken down.

 

Fury

Wow man that's deep. I'll have to try and remmeber that.