CrazyAZNRocker Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Hello there fellow martial artists, I was here reading alot of the forums here, and I thought I should get some other peoples insights. I'm obviously new to the forums, but I would like to post this Topic for you fighters to discuss. I have my own opinion on what i think the martial arts is about, however i love hearing others on what they think whether or not I agree with them or not. The mind versus the body. what do you people, martial artist actually, think on this subject matter? Both are obviously very much important to martial atis, but which one is more important in your personal philosophies? Is a solid body with powerful muscles and a six foot height more to a fighters advantage? Or is it the understanding of martial arts and the intellectual part that goes into a fight and training that is more important? I have my own opinions on this, however i want to hear from others. I also do not want to wade the thoughts of others. All I feel as the Topic presenter, that i should only present the topic. I feel there are no wrong answers, that each persons' thoughts are to be considered. I'm very anxious to here some responces from my fellow martial artists. -SW, CrazyAZNRocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Im going to have to say physical attributes are alot less important then knowledge of strategy,technique,skill. I know alot of people for one, normand grimand, is a student of my sifu/guro/master, he holds black belts in kajukenbo,karate, and is an instructor in muay thai,(ajarm sirsute chai) jkd (philip) silat (philip+inosanto) shoot fighting(erik paulson). he stands about 5,4, and is around 140 lbs but when this guy fights in any discipline he has no competition. Now im not saying size does not matter, but pound for pound, weight and strength is an advantage. A good example of this is when big guys come to try my bjj class, sure the pin me down( im 140lbs,5, but when they loosen their grip I put them in armbars and chokes etc... strength and size are nothing if you don't know how to use you physical attributes to your advantage. "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G95champ Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 If the mind is not right the body don't matter. Like I tell people lifting weights the workout you do don't matter if you do it with intensity. Just like the art don't matter if you buy into it. The body can be beaten but if the mind is still alive you win. Only when the mind is beaten do you loose. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kensai Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 In Aikido we to unify the body and mind. A healthy body promotes a strong mind, however a strong mind promotes a healthy body. If you lose one then you lose both. What I mean by healthy, is not rippling mucsles, but the ablilty to carry out set tasks as powerfully and effectiently as possible. The one point is that the mind controls the body and not the other way around when you are talking about external physical tasks. So the mind is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneTigerCrane Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 the mind tells the body what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmon Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Myself, i think it is good to have a trained body. Yet i think the mind behind it can make a devastating force. In my training we only train the body, yet i will deffinately train my mind when i am older.But im pretty sure some 60+ martial artists in the philipines could take down a 6ft solid muscle machine. I think a conditioned body and trained mind would be quite powerfull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I'm gonna go against the grain - body definitely matters. Mind tells the body what to do, yes. But here's the rub: if the body isn't well conditioned enough to do what the mind tells it, then you will not be able to do it efficiently/effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmon Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I have seen programs with martial artists who train with chi as well and they are not brilliantly musclular. Yet this ability to control chi with the mind makes them more powerfulo then having huge muscles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrettmeyer Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 You've got to have both. If your mind is not focuses and trained for combat, then all that time training is worthless. But if your body is poorly conditioned, you'll be sucking wind and unable to do what your mind tells you to do. To say that one is more important than the other seems to show a lack of understanding. Both must be tuned, tempered, and tested. Jarrett Meyer"The only source of knowledge is experience."-- Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I have seen programs with martial artists who train with chi as well and they are not brilliantly musclular. Yet this ability to control chi with the mind makes them more powerfulo then having huge muscles.you do know that alot of the qi demos you see on tv are parlor tricks, right? Matter of factly, there was a challenged issued a few years ago - A well known internalist was supposed to prove how qi could be physically manifested and used - he failed the test.As far as having huge muscles goes, that is a preference of the lifter. it's possible to push heavy weights without gaining significant size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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