Jeet Kune Do

[thaiboxerken]

It's up to you. Of course training in other systems will change your sparring sessions. It should. Keep in mind that there isn't one system out there that wasn't crosstrained at one time or another. It's good to get different perspectives on the science of fighting and pick the one that suits you most, or to create one of your own. I don't do Muay Thai the same was as my instructor does, but I am still every effective at it. There are better ways to do things, but there isn't really a "best". Heck, if you are toying with your karate buds, then you should realize that something good is happening there.

 

 

[Iron Arahat]

So there is no real structure to all JKD...just stick in what fits?

 

So theoretically someone could turn around and say that they teach JKD, because they are using the "concept"?

 

So if someone says they are a certified JKD teacher...then what? If Dan doesn't certify guys in JKD, who are all these guys claiming to be JKD instructors?

[thaiboxerken]

The only structure in "JKD" is the knowledge of Jun Fan Gung Fu. So basically, if a person claims to be teachign "JKD" they should have be skilled in Jun Fan Gung Fu at the least. Also, there are many people that claim to teach "JKD" and are frauds, many haven't even heard of Jun Fan Gung Fu. Scary eh?

 

 

[Valn]

To Iron Arahat,

 

What you pointed out is extremely true about JKD. Two different school could be teaching the same art but what you practice inside can be totally different.

 

Moreover, I have also heard a conflict within JKD practionner.

 

*Some want to fight like Bruce, so they are in fact creating a style. Remember, JKD wasn't suppose to be a style according to Bruce Lee.

 

*On the other hand, you have those who will use what ever technique they find useful.

 

I think Bruce Lee was on something very good but it wasn't completed.

[Iron Arahat]

So why learn Jun Fan Gung Fu...if it doesn't blend with your style...what if a JKD practitioner doesn't find the concepts of Jun Fan practical. Isn't using Jun Fan as a base art conflict with the philosiphy in some ways?

 

If Bruce's base was Wing Chun...isn't that were everyone should start?

 

I had one JKD instructor call JKD the "Rats of the martial arts, because we take the best from everything."

[thaiboxerken]

I think it is essential to learn Jun Fan because it lets a person know where Bruce Lee's philosophy came from and why he thought the way he did. Jun Fan Gung Fu has elements of Wing Chun in it and there are many JKD people that train in that also. A person should be able to "blend" Jun Fan or any other art with their own. There isn't a system out there that I could not cross-train in and blend into my own personal "JKD".

 

There is structure in "JKD" and that is Jun Fan Gung Fu. And there are many principles that people don't understand simply from reading the books. The concepts of JKD apply to all martial arts and can help a person from any background.

 

Really.. JKD is just a marketing tool anymore. When the majority of the population think "JKD" what they are thinking is Jun Fan Gung Fu, and that is one of the few arts I teach. But what JKD really is is a philosophy of fighting and training that all arts can benefit from.

 

Take the best from everything... but the best is always subjective to the martial artist.

 

 

[Valn]

rats of martial arts, because we take the best from everything.

 

In order to do that, I believe you have to have a very good understanding of martial arts and very few people have what it takes.

 

Wing chun was Bruce Lee first martial art, but he only completed half of the training since the grand master stopped teaching him.

 

However, Bruce Lee continued to train hard and he came up with JKD.

 

By the way, if you read the books written by Bruce Lee you will notice that the "center line" concept and most of what he is telling you about is coming straight from wing chun.

 

Also, if you watch Bruce Lee's movies, you will notice that he use wing chun rarely

 

An example of wing chun that comes to mind is Ohara VS Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon. When Bruce does a vertical straight punch and when they play chi sao (sticky hands). Otherwise, Bruce's movies seems to reflect JKD since he is hook kicks, wheel kicks which are not part of the wing chun system.

 

Only three kicks in wing chun. (groin, knee, ankle).

 

[ This Message was edited by: Valn on 2001-08-28 14:09 ]

[thaiboxerken]

Bruce Lee moved to the USA, that's why he stopped learning Wing Chun from the Yip Man. So he tried to find some instructors in the USA, but there were mostly just Karateka in the area. Well, instead of stopping the training, Lee decided to find the truth of combat himself. I'd say he did a pretty good job. He realized that Wing Chun didn't have all the answers.. no art did. Bruce Lee trained in all sorts of martial arts and he was "grappling" long before BJJ opened the eyes of the world to it.

 

The "centerline" concept is in many arts and not just Wing Chun. I know Silat uses alot of centerline theory and so do many Karateka. Control the centerline, control the fight. It's not always true though.

 

 

 

[Valn]

In addition, if you plan on trying wing chun keep in mind that it is 75% hand techniques and 25 legs. Also, kicks are almost always use with the combinations of hand techniques.

 

Here is a nice little quote:

Curt James: Are there any other advantages to using more hand than leg techniques?

Sifu Fong: Yes. In addition to being faster, the hands are able to control the movements of an opponent

Curt James: But the legs can generate much more power than the hands

Sifu Fong: That is true--but if you can run someone over with a small car, why use a truck?

 

for the full story go tohttp://martialarts.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wingchun.org

 

 

 

[ This Message was edited by: Valn on 2001-08-28 20:07 ]

[thaiboxerken]

The legs too can be used to control and off-balance an opponent, in Silat there are many techniques that use footwork and kicks to control the opponent so that the hands can be used to strike. Wing Chun uses mostly hand trapping.. other systems use leg-trapping. It's all good, if done correctly.