V's anybody?

[JerryLove]

The sensei then sends out attackers at whatever pace he feels appropriate (usually just more than you can handle to push you). The attacker can use any attacks they wish, although fancy kicks are frowned upon but not unheard of.

So everyone in the school can defeat any other two people in the school who are using "any attacks they wish"? Or is it only upper people in the middle and beginners in the V?

[Beer-monster]

I wasn't clear on that. sorry

 

Like the weapons the attacks used against the defender depends on the defenders grade. But by yellow or orange belt the most varieties unarmed attacks have been practised against and defences learnt, with the exception of fancy trained techniques like hook kicks to the head. The attackers can use any attack they wish, as appropriate to grade.

 

The important thing is you dont know what the attackers going to use until he does it, even at a white belt you can have punches,kicks several varieties of grab both front and back and knives to kidneys, groin or face. So even if it is limited to the grade, you still probably wont know whats coming.

 

At high levels (like the black belts I once saw go at it) it downright scary. (real knives and katanas too.)

[JerryLove]

At high levels (like the black belts I once saw go at it) it downright scary. (real knives and katanas too.)

That's an even worse sign.

 

There's no one in the world that I could come at 10 times with a katana and not at least cut. I'd be suprised if there's someone who could fare better against me with a knife... and that's one-on-one.

 

That's not a statement of huberis about my skill, that's a matter of fact about knife work. If you have two people "attack" a thrid with live weapons, and the third is not injured, then you are not even remotely resembling a real fight... I've gotten many a bruise from 1-on-1 medium play with a rolled up TV-guide.

[Beer-monster]

It has been known to happen, but no-ones died that I've heard of yet.

 

Also each attack performs one attack usually (we take em out on that attack). Follows ups come if the first defense is messed up and not recovered in time (more of an object lesson) slightly less than real but you got to give someone at least some chance.

 

Also I forgot to mention that attacker come one at a time. One may follow very quickly after another, but never simultaneously (thats a different exercise), we stress speed and finishes. The aim is to parry, strike, throws and finish before the other man comes and while remaining aware of the other attackers.

 

Other variations of the v include the circle and x.

[ZeRo]

you are right Beer randori is sparring but with throws.

 

this sounds like a cool drill.

[JerryLove]

Randori is free-sparring... what is described is a drill, not a spar.

[Beer-monster]

Thought so. So has anyone else actually tried a v?

[ninjanurse]

Never did a "V" but we did do a semi-circle against a wall (or pretend edge of a roof). You stood with your back against the wall (or on the edge) and the "attackers" made a semi-circle around you. They would start out one at a time adding multiple attackers as the exercise progressed. Weapons were added in BB classes. A variation of this exercise is used on the 2nd and 3rd dan test-but you can only use techniques that are part of the kyu curriculum.

 

[JerryLove]

So, if I shove you into the wall (off the roof) do you loose?

[ninjanurse]

Into the wall..that depends on what you do to me.

 

Off the roof...GOODBYE (but hopefully I can take you with me too!!!! )!!