MuayThai Fighter Posted March 12, 2003 Author Posted March 12, 2003 This article states the advantages of point fighting, mind you the article states that it highlights only the advantages http://www.*.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=106 BTW, point fighting does'nt neccessarily mean semi contact, low kicks are still allowed, full power is allowed but I would agree that elbows are not allowed in most point fighting tourneys. |Mayur| Oh my god this site makes me laugh,what a joke.I only agree with some of it. "A fight in a point's tournament is often won by the first person to score. The person who is most 'switched on' and 'alert' is likely to get into gear first! Is this not true of the spontaneous Street situation?" You actually by into this crap?.No it's not true of the spontaneous street situation.In a street fight it's not about scoring points and who is most switched on and alert,it's about being the better fighter,knowing how to take care of yourself and winning to survive. Martial arts is about fun,and learning realistic self-defense,self-confidence,self-esteem,self-motivation.If I'm trying to win a street fight using what is used in point sparring,I'm going to lose confidence in my training and no longer be motivated to continue. That's why I don't do point sparring. The modern open tournament has become a circus, with multi coloured suits, acrobatic techniques, and bizarre scoring systems, it has become hard to tell reality from fantasy. Some purists will argue that there are no true Martial Arts any more, as there are no true Martial Situations. Not all modern open tournaments have become a circus with multi coloured suits and acrobatic techniques.No offense for those who do traditional martial arts like karate, but in my opinion they make it look like that,but many of us who do realistic martial arts as far as self-defense is concerned have way better technique and are far from looking like acrobatic techniques.The reason for this is we learn how to fight and learn what really counts in sparring instead of the fancy moves in point sparring. What's the definition of a true martial artist? To me it's being a great fighter,to someone else it may be different. But since this topic is about the sparring aspect of M.A then I'd have to say there are still some true martial artists or fighters of M.A. The 'freestyle' points circuit, is somewhat confusing to more traditional Martial Artists. From their perspective it is hard to see anything other than a lot of people playing psychological tag. If I dare to describe Karate Kumite as a sport for a moment, the difference in the point scoring is that successful strikes are usually clearer, and easier to see. I totally agree with this statement. That's exactly what free style points sparring is,a game of tag. It is very true that strikes of free style point sparring is easier to see. To be a premium point's fighter, you must practice your arsenal of techniques thousands of times. When, and only when you have done this, can you use these skills on the mat. An attack thrown without confidence of success will never succeed. If you dismiss 'Point' fighting out of hand, how do you redress this in your own system if not the same way? Whatever!!!!! full contact sparring is all that is needed,not point sparring. Remember everyone this is just my opinion.
G95champ Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 Well Pont sparring has a nice place in every class. Its good for kids. Its good for older people. It good to warm up and play arround with. To say it is useless is like saying the jab is useless because I don't like it. Everything has a use reguardless how much we use it. Now with that said full contact is nice but at the same time if you go FULL CONTACT. Someone gets hurt. No if and or buts about it. When I was in HS me and some of my friends thought we were going to do FULL CONTACT. I broke my friends ribs he was spitting up blood. I got my nose busted many times, we has several other guys get KO'ed. Full Contact is no joke and you can not practice it because someone will get hurt bad. Bottom line. Now Semi Full Contact where you hit enough to sting but you don't try and hurt. We do something called Shock. Meaning if I hit you and it was a bit hard and I see you are dazed or short of wind. I stop. Shotokan teaches One Punch one Kill. We pride oursleves on our power. Just like MT does. I know that if I hit anyone with a side thrust kick or a elbow they are going down. No questions and my power is not as good now as it was 3 years ago when I was training everyday and not teaching. You need full contact to let you know what its like to get hit but at the same time it has to be done only when both people can defend themselves and between friends who wil not try and hurt the other person. Also there is one other thing in play here. I don't care how much you train and what style you do. If you got a glass jaw their is not much you can do. So Full Contact is not for everyone and IMO if you do it everyday all the time it won't be for you for long either. (if you are really doing full contact) There is a reason boxers and other top fighters only fight 2 or 3 times a year. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
TJS Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 G95 is right it dosent always have to be "FULL" contact, but enough where you dont want to get hit..and they feel it. however stepping into the ring with someone who wants to take your head off can be a powerful learning experience for anyone IMO, i know not everyone is into that but even doing it once can tell you alot about yourself.
Mayur Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 You actually by into this crap?.No it's not true of the spontaneous street situation.In a street fight it's not about scoring points and who is most switched on and alert,it's about being the better fighter,knowing how to take care of yourself and winning to survive. Yes it is if the other person is more alert will likely finish off the other one before he can realise it, in other words it's awareness training. You can spend years to learn how to kick or punch but they are of no use if you don't have good awareness Overall I'd prefer full contact over point sparring but point sparring does have it's place, in my school we spar for points but it's still full contact only that elbows are not allowed, but low kicks, punches to the face etc are allowed, and it's not semi contact. |Mayur|
Kyle-san Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 however stepping into the ring with someone who wants to take your head off can be a powerful learning experience for anyone IMO, i know not everyone is into that but even doing it once can tell you alot about yourself. I'd have to agree. I hate stepping into the ring with guys like that, but every now and again it's a nice reiminder that not everyone has the same interests.
John G Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 MuayThai Fighter, I’m only use to semi-contact point sparing (had a few broken ribs though), what are the sparing rules in your art, and how is the winner determined. Is it by K.O. or is it until your opponent submits / Ref steps in and stops the fight. Respectfully, John G Jarrett III Dan, ITF Taekwon-Do
SBN Doug Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 Actually, MTF, I have a question too. When you say "Full Contact", do you mean full power only, or full power AND no protection (pads)? Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
panginoon Posted March 20, 2003 Posted March 20, 2003 The limits of Full Contact: Having to wear 16 ounce gloves. ................................. You wear gloves while doing full contact? It may lead to bad habbits, such as not conditioning your knuckles, hitting with the 3 knuckles, which leads to a boxers break. Also the full contact with gloves skews reality. A bareknuckle hit hurts far more than a gloved punch.
TJS Posted March 20, 2003 Posted March 20, 2003 as opposed to not being able to fight and curling up into a fetal position the first time someone punches you in the mouth..i think the benefits outweight the negatives.
niel0092 Posted March 20, 2003 Posted March 20, 2003 Gee, dont recall ever rolling up into a fetal position before Do remember hitting their jaw with a right hook to finnish things. Not bad for a TKD guy eh? Would full contact practice have helped me? Yes. Are full contact fighters good at what they do? Also yes. Does that mean that a non full contact fighter is going to get their butt kicked or end up in the fetal position when attacked "on the street"? No, It's all situational. Keep up the good posts, but try to watch the inflametory remarks "Jita Kyoei" Mutual Benefit and Welfare
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