Beer-monster Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 Just wanted some opinions from some grapplers out there. I was just watching one of the Pride contests, and I noticed that when the fights went to the ground it was usually due to one competitor using the shoot or similar technique. I saw little evidence of the traditional style of throws such as hip throws or leg sweep. Does this mean such techniques are ineffective in the street. Oh and what are everyones favourite throws/takedown and how streetwise do you feel they are? Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 well one reason is that when performing alot of these thows you expose you face, like one hand on the lapel and the othe on his arm things like that are very common in tma's. single/double leg ,shoot, are found more often because they don't require as much detail to perform. personnaly i like o-soto-gari,single leg, high-crotch, "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Ka0ticSH Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 yea thats one reasons shoots work quite well .. you expose the top of your head and back for just a second or two, if you do it right. certain throws like soto makikomi and other wrap arounds can easily set yourself up for bear hugs personally i like circle throws. if it doesnt work and they're quick enough to resist it you can easily pull them into your guard or sweep them "Accept what is useful. Reject what is useless." -Bruce LeeShodan - Shizukana-do
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 exactly becasue we can't foget that you don't have to have great throws if you can box/kickbox and thats what many mma guys are doing, when was the last time you saw an mma guy do a traditional throw? or even one that resembled it? nhb is very much like th street, if you wouldn't use a hip-throw for example in the ring than why would you use it in the street? practicing arm drags and duck-unders is also a greet way to close the distance and take the back while standing. lucky ba$tard you live in l.a. theres some great sifu/guro/master's out there!! "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Ka0ticSH Posted March 10, 2003 Posted March 10, 2003 yea i been trainin with the machados .. and tha gracie academys only 10 minutes from my house and one of rorions kids is a classmate at school .. its a small world. "Accept what is useful. Reject what is useless." -Bruce LeeShodan - Shizukana-do
Beer-monster Posted March 10, 2003 Author Posted March 10, 2003 What if you use the old blow before throw principle. give them a good whack andx when they are reeling from that (as much untrained joe would) bang in the throw. Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
Kensai Posted March 10, 2003 Posted March 10, 2003 Atemi waza are always useful when setting yourself up for a throw. In the majority of case's a good thrower wont be around long enough for the strike to the face, before he takes you to the floor and submits you.
Beer-monster Posted March 10, 2003 Author Posted March 10, 2003 Which throws would people recommend for the street. I'm trying to blend (hopefully seemlessly) my Karate skills with my ju-jitsu. I dont mind the shoot, but I would rather avoid the ground if I can (I dont have the muscle strength to make it work, though I do train just in case), in a pub fight there are too much broken glass, and too many mates with knives. Any ideas, I'll try em in sparring and drills and report. Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs.
Kensai Posted March 10, 2003 Posted March 10, 2003 Well, I would probably go for: Aikido: Kokyu nage Shiho nage Judo: Osoto gari Ouchi gari Ippon Seoi nage. If you pop those into a search engine you'll probably get some good results.
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