AndrewGreen Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 In an earlier time that of the bare knuckle fighters, few fightes had more than one or two fights because of the damage. What is your source for this? and which bare knuckle fighters? Broughtons rules? LPR? Andrew Greenhttp://innovativema.ca - All the top martial arts news!
fskarateoz Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 sorry, i haven't read any of the replies... just the post.... hmmm... well, in MY post about the uses of open hand techniques i think i stated that i was off balance and he WAS coming in with punches (in fact i still got hit). I did an unconventional knife hand technique where i basically slapped him in a motion imitating that of slamming a door shut. I still like fists though, it's only that i found now that i have a new found respect for open hands... It was very effective and extremely fast, faster than my jab or hook has ever been. fskarateoz I'm a pretty straight forward guy, and people often tell me that i remind them of someone they once met... Although not necessarily face to face...
MuayThai Fighter Posted March 9, 2003 Author Posted March 9, 2003 I A simple little move I saw in a movie was as a jab is coming at your face.........bow your head letting their fist hit your forehead. So I asked a fella to throw a soft jab at me & he made slight contact & started shakin his hand. It hurt him but not me. But it look's like you got everything figured out on your own so disreguard attemting to parry, block or evade a strike would be much more prudent I agree parrying,blocking and evading a strike make more sense.
MuayThai Fighter Posted March 9, 2003 Author Posted March 9, 2003 knife hand strikes can be used instead of hooks and still have tonnes of power behind them. i like to use them to targets like the jaw, temple and neck. a few weeks back i saw a guy wearing a gum sheild get his tooth knocked out by a guy wearing hand pads, the guy had landed a reverse knife hand. I suppose,but personally I'd rather punch someone in the jaw then use an open hand knife technique. The only time I'd use an open hand technique is if I've been slammed against a wall and both of opponent's hands are around my neck,then I'd knife hand him to throat or use my first two fingers to jap him in throat. Other then that I'd never use an open hand strike.If I kept my hand open during a fight it would only be to pull a person's shirt or jacket over his head so he can't see what's coming and start punching him,and I would also use it for clinching so I can throw person off balance and start using knee kicks. I would say having hands open are more for grabbing then striking,personally I'd rather punch.I've only used a knife hand chop in a real fight once when a guy came to attack me while I was walking on the street and that was when I had him leaning forward already from missing his punch and extending forward then from the chop,I got him into headlock,but in most cases I'd rather punch. It's easier to punch at least for me anyways.
MuayThai Fighter Posted March 9, 2003 Author Posted March 9, 2003 Muay thai fighter-you forget you wear gloves in your fights, take them off and you will realize many punches will result in a broken hand.. If you are punching to the head an open hand strike can be very practical. especially for hooks Well in most real fights people punch whether they're in martial arts or not,so wearing gloves has nothing to do with punching. You're right though when competeing we wear gloves,does that mean we couldn't punch effectively without them on the street? I would sure think we could,it may be hard on bear knuckles but the guy getting punched would hurt alot more then you even if your knuckles do get busted,well depending how hard you hit him.I would have to assume if you managed to break your knuckles from punching someone you would have had to hit your opponent pretty damn hard. I've never busted my knuckles in a real fight,but I've broken a person's nose with my fists.I've also punched somebody over and over again in mouth that his braises came out and ripped his whole mouth a part that he ended up bleeding all over the place,the only thing I got was a bit of skin broken by his braises,never broke my knuckles.To do the damage I did to that guy,you could tell I punched him pretty damn hard. This was when I was younger and had a very,very bad temper,and when a person has a bad temper and gets in a fight they don't punch softly. So can you explain to me why I've never broken my knuckles from punching in a real fight?,after all no one wears gloves in a real fight.
MuayThai Fighter Posted March 9, 2003 Author Posted March 9, 2003 Punches to hard areas such as the face with a closed fist very often result in a broken hand. Strikes to the same hard areas with something like a palm heel strike damage the targeted area without near as much damage to the knuckles. In an earlier time that of the bare knuckle fighters, few fightes had more than one or two fights because of the damage. "Punches to hard areas such as the face with closed fist very often result in a broken hand" So does that mean in most regular street fights or bar fights both people will end up with broken knuckles? After all you never see people using open hand strikes in a real fight at least I've never seen it.Infact some people get knocked out after being punched a few times,or if the person is a really good fighter he might even knock his opponent unconcious with one punch which is unlikely of course,but possible. I have a friend who has been in many street fights and doesn't know any martial arts,so he knows nothing about open hand strikes,and yet has never broken any knuckles,only damage he has ever been unfortunate to have is end up with 15 stitches going down his face from having somebody breaking a bottle on side of his face from behind,due to some gangster mistaking him for someone else and then apologizes to him.
TJS Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 what i mean is there are great targets for a fist, but the back/top of the head is a much better target for a palm heel strike..sometimes thats all you can hit.
ZeRo Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 It's easier to punch at least for me anyways. yeah i know what you mean, there is power in open hand stuff but i personally find that punching is better (atleast for now). still love my open hand stuff though
mikelw Posted March 9, 2003 Posted March 9, 2003 The last thing I want to do is hit another adult male with a fist.I need my hands to work. I know a fella who is missing a knuckle because he hit someone with his fist. A simple little move I saw in a movie was as a jab is coming at your face.........bow your head letting their fist hit your forehead. So I asked a fella to throw a soft jab at me & he made slight contact & started shakin his hand. It hurt him but not me. But it look's like you got everything figured out on your own so disreguard Um, most martial arts schools do hand conditioning. Toughening of the hand and knuckles. This means that when i punch someone's face, they get hurt and not me. If your hands are properly conditioned you are not going to break your hand.
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