Is Reality fighting a true martial art?

[Kyle-san]

TMA need full contact kumite/sanhou/sparring. If they want to be good fighters.

 

I have to disagree with this point. If traditional martial arts such as Jujutsu and Aikido sparred full contact there would be no shortage of damage done to the students with a high possibility of broken limbs. Even a Karate dojo sparring full contact would result in some very painful experiences.

 

Sparring with control is far better than just going full out/anything goes.

[AndrewGreen]

Yes, that has been said over and over again, and always proved wrong...

 

Karate full contact IS done, even bare knuckle.

 

Kickboxing proved that it could be done, that what kickboxing was, full contact karate. Something many thought would result in all sorts of nasty things.

 

Then the UFC came along, No Holds Barred! Bare knuckle! No one got killed.

 

Those that claim that going full out is to dangerous seem most often to be those that have never done it. Give it a try, its not that dangerous.

 

The truth is that most techniques which are "too dangerous" are also "ineffective" against a fully resisting opponent.

 

Some things obviously are too dangerous, eye gouges, groin grabbing, throat strikes, etc.

 

But I would bet that the "sport" guy that spars would be far more capable of actually doing such things if they where allowed then the traditional guy who doesn't spar.

[Kyle-san]

Yes, that has been said over and over again, and always proved wrong...

 

Karate full contact IS done, even bare knuckle.

 

Kickboxing proved that it could be done, that what kickboxing was, full contact karate. Something many thought would result in all sorts of nasty things.

 

Then the UFC came along, No Holds Barred! Bare knuckle! No one got killed.

 

Those that claim that going full out is to dangerous seem most often to be those that have never done it. Give it a try, its not that dangerous.

 

The truth is that most techniques which are "too dangerous" are also "ineffective" against a fully resisting opponent.

 

Some things obviously are too dangerous, eye gouges, groin grabbing, throat strikes, etc.

 

But I would bet that the "sport" guy that spars would be far more capable of actually doing such things if they where allowed then the traditional guy who doesn't spar.

 

In my mind "full contact" sparring means no rules, no limits to your movements and how you can attack. The examples you have given still have some rules intact and make people act with restraint. It's interesting that I haven't been to one Tae Kwon Do tournament where at least someone has left with severely bruised or broken ribs because one opponent lost regard for the other. I don't know about you, but even that seems an undesirable situation to me.

 

I have no problems with some heavy sparring and expect to come away sore and bruised, but on the other hand I expect that my partner isn't trying to cause me serious harm. It's that slight distinction that I feel separates UFC-style rules (so-called No Holds Barred) from an anything goes street situation. Real full contact.

[isshinryu kid]

There's nothing wrong with training in reality fighting,But You'll become one deminsional. You can do all the drills,&Or WOrk on the bag,&Thats fine,But There's more to it than that.Coz in the real world there are no rules,REality fighting have rules,There is no resting between each round,& they dont whare gloves on the street. & WHen a reality fighting,Tries to reach for the opponet he/she over extends the arm,Foot,Head,Or All three.& WHen that happens,He does'nt have a good center,Or IS not in a good position to finish/execute the technique.While in some situations,It WOu depend on distance,As Well as body posture.But In the case of a reality fighter,WHile overextending his body,It wld be easy enough to parry him & then execute a technique.In Other wors,You can be a fighter,But that doe'nt necessary mean you can defend yourself.There Was a girl that won granchampion 5 yrs in a row,& One day she got mugged,Her Sensei had to change the way he was teaching,It Was less kumite & more slfdefense.& To become succesful in in defending oneself,He/SHe & To do that you must Remember that the street is a not a boxing ring,Its no time for sport,Its time to do wht you can to survive.The Things to remember,1 Keep It simple 2 Use combinations 3 Use Low snapping kicks,AS they have alot of power,& ARe very hard to see. 4 Use short natural stances,They can help you become more elusive. 5Be Aware of your soroundings. There of course alot more Than this,But to learning & Training in all fo these different situations,CAn only be learned in The kung fu arts,Bjj,OR japanes jujutsu,JApanese & okiniawa karate as well as others,BUt not in reality fighting. PS I hope I did'nt insult anyone,These are just my opinions,I wld like nothing better than to be proved wrong.

[Stold]

If you consider Martial Arts to be some sort of spiritual, beautiful flowery way of life crap, then no, most MMA fighters are not martial artists by your definition. But if you consider Martial Arts the way MOST were considered upon conception, then yes, they would be Martial Artists. Very few fighting methods in the world were developed for defending yourself or just enhancing your health. They were developed to fight, maim and kill. Or they were developed for sport......

 

I have gone full contact plenty of times with sparring partners, and...What do you know, I am still alive. Alll you need are some NHB gloves, closed cell head gear, some neck padding, a mouthguard and maybe a cup. Cup can get you careless about defending your jewels though, and I don't think anybody has ever died from being punched in the balls. Don't forget to pay attention when your opponent taps out either.

[AndrewGreen]

Does reality fighting have any techs,

 

Yes

If SO wht are they?

 

There are hundreds, if not thousands...

[AndrewGreen]

There's nothing wrong with training in reality fighting,But You'll become one deminsional.

 

LOL, the reason all the "traditionalist" got beat back when they entered, was because they where one dimensional.

You can do all the drills,&Or WOrk on the bag,&Thats fine,

 

Yes, Mixed martial arts is not about a set of drills or hitting pads. It is about developing into the best possible fighter you can using the best methods available.

But There's more to it than that.Coz in the real world there are no rules,REality fighting have rules,

 

Right... so?

 

Any MMA fighter knows the foul techniques, and they would be able to position themselves to use them.

There is no resting between each round,& they dont whare gloves on the street.

 

again: So?

 

You are thinking competition format only, in training there are not rounds.

 

And are you saying you fight without gloves, with no rounds (ever), and no rules?

& WHen a reality fighting,Tries to reach for the opponet he/she over extends the arm,Foot,Head,Or All three.& WHen that happens,He does'nt have a good center,Or IS not in a good position to finish/execute the technique.

 

OK, I'm curious, how do you punch so that you don't extend your arm?

While in some situations,It WOu depend on distance,As Well as body posture.But In the case of a reality fighter,WHile overextending his body,

 

Where did the overextending come from...?

 

Any fighter that overextended would suffer for it.

It wld be easy enough to parry him & then execute a technique.In Other wors,You can be a fighter,But that doe'nt necessary mean you can defend yourself.

 

Right... that makes perfect sense...

There Was a girl that won granchampion 5 yrs in a row,& One day she got mugged,Her Sensei had to change the way he was teaching,

 

Grand Champion of which Mixed martial arts competition?

 

Or was it point karate?

 

I suspect it is, in which case your story is completely irrelevant.

PS I hope I did'nt insult anyone,These are just my opinions,I wld like nothing better than to be proved wrong.

 

I have to ask, have you ever trained with a MMA fighter? How many events have you watched?

[ramymensa]

Coz in the real world there are no rules,REality fighting have rules,There is no resting between each round,& they dont whare gloves on the street.

 

A problem always mentioned ... on the street there are no rules. OK. So you can do nasty things not permitted in some styles. In most of the cases one knows them and has performed even those "tabu" techniques in order to be able to use them if needed (not in sparring or tournaments, cause it's forbidden ) You know how to use elbows, how to grab a persona by the head and hit with the knee (it's in karate katas also), grab a man by the testicles and so on. We know these and some even perform them in the dojo (the "nut" thing is performed without a partner, I couldn't do this to a coleague ). They are done with very light contact, but they are learnt, thus giving us an option.

 

How is in your dojos?

[monkeygirl]

This thread has degenerated into semantics. Remember that conversation should be kept constructive, and respect towards other members and their styles must be kept.