TJA Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 What are the known systems of Ninjitsu. I'm aware of the Togukare system (excuse the spelling) of Masaaki Hatsumi which has the Bujikan dojos world wide. I've seen and heard of others such as the Koga - ryu ninjitsu, and Shoto Tanemura who seems to be within ninjitsu. any thoughts
Kirves Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 Masaaki Hatsumi founded the Bujinkan Dojo, which has a curriculum of nine bujutsu ryu-ha. Three of these ryu-ha are ninjutsu styles, the rest are koryu jujutsu ryu-ha. Manaka founded the Jinenkan Dojo after studying under Hatsumi. Tanemura founded the Genbukan Dojo after studying under Hatsumi too. There are several Koga ninjutsu teachers, but none have ever been able to prove any lineage to the real Koga ninja, and usually the styles don't even look like anything that any other medieval Japanese fighting arts look like, most look like kungfu or karate. And most of the best known Koga teachers have been ridiculed at because of their claims. I'm not saying names here, but some teachers were known as tournament karate champs, then they suddenly started teaching ninjutsu out of the blue and that kind of things. If you are interested in some Koga style, my suggestion is to first do a search for the instructor on the net, you may find results of some investigations done by other people. If you don't find anything that troubles you, then go try it out. There are some things to know about Koga ryu: usually it is accepted (some doubt it) that the last head of the Koga ninjutsu was Seiko Fujita. Also, the Koga was a bunch of 53 styles, any real Koga instructor should know the names of those styles, but usually they have no idea. There are also some other real authentic bujutsu styles that have some ninja aspects in them. For example, the Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto ryu has a shinobijutsu component, but it was mostly developed to battle against the real ninjas, so it is more of an "anti-ninja" art, but has some resemblance to the real ninja arts.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 shoto tanemura used to be my grandmaster, he created the genbukan style and federation of ninjutsu "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Karateka_latino Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 VERY informative post Kirves! I guess that if you want to do Ninjutsu, you better stick with the Togakure ryu Bujinkan organization. Its the only Legit organization i've heard about.
Kirves Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Hmmm... Why was this post put into "karate" forum? Ninjutsu doesn't even come from the same country as karate...
SaiFightsMS Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Oh Kirves where do you think ninjitus comes from if not Japan?
Kirves Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Oh Kirves where do you think ninjitus comes from if not Japan? Where do you think karate came from? Okay, Okinawa is nowadays part of Japan, but it didn't use to be when the ninjas were developing their systems. Karate and ninjutsu have very little in common. Ninjutsu and jujutsu have quite a lot in common as the unarmed methods of the ninja were practically just a distinct styles of jujutsu (to make it a bit too simplified).
SaiFightsMS Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Ninjitusu also includes strikes, weapons work, stealth, poisons and other aspects that don't fit neatly under a grappling umbrella either. Ninjitsu is in the Japanese/Okinawan forum based on the location of it's origin. It could just as easily be called a weapons art as a grappling are or a striking art. To keep matters simple for KF purpose classifying it with the arts from it's country of origin falls most consistently with how other arts are placed in their forums.
Kensai Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Probably best under general... but any how..... Bujinkan is really the only legit Ninjutsu style. Mainly people has jumped onto the "American Ninja" series and tried to make more money on selling thier sport Karate as Ninjutsu. Its an amazing style IF you can find yourself a good teacher.
Kirves Posted February 27, 2003 Posted February 27, 2003 Ninjitusu also includes strikes, weapons work, stealth, poisons and other aspects that don't fit neatly under a grappling umbrella either. Yes, it doesn't go well under any such category, but most people wouldn't be searching for ninjutsu info from a karate-specific forum any day... I would likely think of three options for better placement of this thread: 1. Generic forum; any non-specific style discussions 2. Combative Arts forum; ninjutsu is highly diverse and very combative 3. Jujutsu/Grappling forum; Basically, the X-kan mainly teach a curriculum of six jujutsu styles with some ninjutsu aspects thrown in. Just my humble opinion.
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