SBN Doug Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 I had to go back to page two to find a post related to the topic. However, the calm debate of the practicality of high kicks seems good too. I may split this one to allow for both. And considering it was a question put to TKD students, I placed it in the Korean arts forum. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
kenpo4life Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Kick chick, TKD is the most popular art in the US. Therefore your mcdojo to "real" school ratio is going to be higher. That is all. I mean where I live everyone "does" TKD and not a single one I have seen live it. I think that people fail to realize that the methods of old were contemporary for their time, but the reality of fighting methods have changed. Like the old masters, we need to stop moaning about style and develop what we have found to be effective. If my survival means your total destruction, then so be it.
isshinryu kid Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Kick chick, TKD is the most popular art in the US. Therefore your mcdojo to "real" school ratio is going to be higher. That is all. I mean where I live everyone "does" TKD and not a single one I have seen live it. I think that people fail to realize that the methods of old were contemporary for their time, but the reality of fighting methods have changed. Like the old masters, we need to stop moaning about style and develop what we have found to be effective. I Have Nothig against tkd,But its not the most popular martial art in the usa.The Most popular marial art in the united sta tes is akia do.Question WHt HAs changed to make tkd more effective?
JerryLove Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 isshinryu kid, I really look forward to you supporting your assertation that Akido is the US's most popular art. ANTICDOTAL WARNING: Here in Tampa-bay, there are more TKD schools than I can easily count.. there are 3 Akido schools. https://www.clearsilat.com
isshinryu kid Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 isshinryu kid, I really look forward to you supporting your assertation that Akido is the US's most popular art. ANTICDOTAL WARNING: Here in Tampa-bay, there are more TKD schools than I can easily count.. there are 3 Akido schools. I'm Sure that tampa is doing its part in supporting TKD,But,All do respect,There is more out there than tampa bay. PS & The most popular ,Martial art in the world is shoulin kungfu.
Maestro Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 isshinryu kid wrote:Question WHt HAs changed to make tkd more effective? That would not be the question I would ask, my question would be what has changed to suddenly make it ineffective? It's like "Oh, we hit the 90's and so suddenly all of traditional martial arts is rendered inneffective." A good TKD school is going to be taught the way General Choi originated the art, and I think you would have a very hard time convincing anyone that the Korean army didn't learn one heck of an effective MA. Nothing has changed to make TKD more effective except for the introduction at some schools to grapling, takedowns, and joint techniques. The only thing that has really changed is that some schools choose to train in a less effective manner. The Mcdojo has hurt the training methods of the art, but they cannot touch the art itself. Penguin, you have here another guy astonished at how many schools "don't follow the pattern." It would seem that no avid supporter of TKD here is the member of a Mcdojo, how very interesting Watson... Might as well take my advice--I don't use it anymore.
JerryLove Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 I'm Sure that tampa is doing its part in supporting TKD,But,All do respect,There is more out there than tampa bay. PS & The most popular ,Martial art in the world is shoulin kungfu.Hence the warning that the evidence was anticdotal. That said, please support both your claims: That Akido is the most popular art in the US, and that Shaolin Kungfu is the most popular art worldwide. TAE KWON DO (Korea) "The way of the foot and fist" This style relies heavily on striking and fancy footwork to keep opponents at a distance and is most famous for its acrobatic kicks. Banned for decades by the occupying Japanese, tae kwon do became Korea's national sport in 1955 and is now the world's most popular martial art. http://familyfun.go.com/raisingkids/learn/activities/feature/famf28martialarts/famf28martialarts3.html https://www.clearsilat.com
isshinryu kid Posted February 27, 2003 Posted February 27, 2003 isshinryu kid wrote:Question WHt HAs changed to make tkd more effective? That would not be the question I would ask, my question would be what has changed to suddenly make it ineffective? It's like "Oh, we hit the 90's and so suddenly all of traditional martial arts is rendered inneffective." A good TKD school is going to be taught the way General Choi originated the art, and I think you would have a very hard time convincing anyone that the Korean army didn't learn one heck of an effective MA. Nothing has changed to make TKD more effective except for the introduction at some schools to grapling, takedowns, and joint techniques. The only thing that has really changed is that some schools choose to train in a less effective manner. The Mcdojo has hurt the training methods of the art, but they cannot touch the art itself. Penguin, you have here another guy astonished at how many schools "don't follow the pattern." It would seem that no avid supporter of TKD here is the member of a Mcdojo, how very interesting Watson...You'er Avoiding the question,Plz Give me a specific answer,Why tkd is effective. PS The ultimate aim of the art of karate lies not in victory or defeat,But in the perfection of the characters of its participants. Gichin Funikoshi
Maestro Posted February 27, 2003 Posted February 27, 2003 I hardly avoided your question, you asked "what has changed to make it effective", which would imply that it was once ineffective, which is crazy, and to which my answer was that pretty much nothing has changed. I still think that people who are still arguing that TKD is ineffective should be asking themselves MY question. What has happened to make it ineffective? What has happened to render a few millenia of conventional fighting knowledge useless? As for what makes it effective, that is hardly even worth answering, Lord knows how many threads there already are about that here. It is a MA, it teaches techniques of self-defense, it is as simple as that. Yes, it has high kicks, so what? It has a whole lot more than that too. As for your post-script, I do not see how that was relevant? If you think that makes karate superior or something, perhaps you should check out the tenets and goals of TKD. We're here to make a better world Might as well take my advice--I don't use it anymore.
TJS Posted February 27, 2003 Author Posted February 27, 2003 isshinryu kid-I agree with JerryLove, Here in Austin there is a TKD school on every corner and only 1 Akido school. What a conisidence, I bet it's the same in 98% of the US. If im wrong please post some facts to back up your claim..you dont seem to be willing to do that. Maestro-Why despite one of the largest talentpools in the world, has TKD Failed to produce any World class fighters in Standup fighting Competitions? Some stlye really are not made for competitions, I dont belive that applys to TKD though. It's hard for me to see how effective it is when It has never been able to produce champions in simple 1 vs 1 competitions. It would seem that no avid supporter of TKD here is the member of a Mcdojo, how very interesting Watson... Isint it also intresting how everyone admits there are Hundreds on McDojos acoss the U.S. yet no one goes to one?
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