JerryLove Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 TJS What are your thoughts on these issues? I belive this is an important issue bacuase False confidence can be a very dangerous thing in a real altercation.I'd add "opponents taht want to win, multiple attackers, fighting with weapons, fighting against weapons" among others. My old TKD Dojang had "defence against a knife"... I was talking with the saubaunim after I started Silat.. I did some really basic knife work in the air. He didn't even think he had a defensive response to it.SubmissionFighter We used to have 3 rounds of sparring, WTF TKD sparring, Boxing and Combat grappling (strikes and grappling). Our School was trully well rounded and our TKD was Effective. What about Randori and weapons work?Kickchick Can someone please tell me why Tae Kwon do is always singled out as the martial art that allegedly is ineffective in self defense??? A: It's popular. B: It's largely impractical as generally taught.Neil0092 More schools than you realise teach good self defense.IME more schools that you realize think they teach good self-defense but train in a very unrealistic manner. https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBN Doug Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Forgive me if you've stated this before, but it's hard to keep up with everybody posting here. Which organization(s) of TKD was the school(s) you have experience with affiliated with? I ask because I have heard the opposite for at least one of the organizations. Also, my question still holds true. Even if it does take the instructor adding it to the curriculum, it's the instructor that's buying the sign advertising self defense. Therefore, there is still no proof that the majority of TKD instructors haven't started adding those aspects. That said, I do understand the point you're trying to make. I'm just a chemist that needs to always see the data. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJS Posted February 22, 2003 Author Share Posted February 22, 2003 I'd add "opponents taht want to win, multiple attackers, fighting with weapons, fighting against weapons" among others. Yes there are definetly other things I belive are important for realistic self defense, Those were just a few of the main issues. KSNDoug-Sorry, Im not sure if you were asking me or Jerry love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 if self defense should be included than why isn't it, there are numerous tkd schools in my area including raymond mourad an 8th degree bb and from what i have seen all of them not just a few but all of them are more oriented with point sparring/competitions, so don't be offended that people pick on tkd, they have good reason to "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBN Doug Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 KSNDoug-Sorry, Im not sure if you were asking me or Jerry love? Oops, he did sneak in his response while I was typing. I was asking you. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin540 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 it seems to me that ppl attack tkd because some schools choose to teach it in a largely sport-oriented way... i personally can say that my school is different too (wow, look at all those schools that "don't follow the pattern".......how odd that there are so many of them:-P) we train in sparring w/ grappling and takedowns and learn small-circle jujitsu and self-defense appliable arnis techniques (a lot of the movments and disarms).... i think that ppl shouldn't get so angry over this stuff personally. red belt-American Tae Kwon Do"Men have little to fear but fear itself." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBN Doug Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Well said penguin. Stop by the Intro's forum and tell us a little about yourself. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdlegend Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 same with our tkd school penguin, we learn all sorts of things, not only tkd. he also teaches us to fight from the ground (grappling), low kicks in self defense, quickest ways to immobilise someone etc etc. we try to broaden our horizons as much as possible. we even learn a little gymnastics and weapons also. tkd is widely taught as a sport rather than self defense, but alot of people forget that the reason alot of students join is to become better at self defense, so alot of schools are adapting to that. -= To truly be immortal, you must be ready to face death. =- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJS Posted February 23, 2003 Author Share Posted February 23, 2003 My school was an ITA school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramymensa Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 TKD ... taught in a sports like manner .. a problem I've never heard of in this part of Europe. I guess in America it's quite an issue and here it's just OK. TKD training is quite serius and goes well. Why would it be different in the States? Why so many McDojos? I guess I can find a small explanation for this fact ... It's the USA ... land of the Economy ... the most important thing there for a business is to make profit. For many instructors MA is a business and must be lucrative. There are bills to pay and some want to make money ... you won't make money by running a small dojo/dojang, teaching too many spiritual things, avoiding contests and trying to make real martial artists. But ... lots of money can be made from entering in tournaments, teaching easy stuff, winning medals, giving 172346782647823 belts til black belt (with high prices also), putting contracts and so on ... In my country MA is present, but it's not an industy. We don't even have dojos, we learn in sport halls and the instructors have other jobs, cause MA doesn't bring them so much money ... so they teach from the heart and that's why the McDojo phenomenon is scarce ... So my conclusion ... before bashing any style, try to find a good dojo/dojang ... there are still some quite good who didin't enter the money making machine thing TKD like any other style can offer lots of results if taught well. Find the right instructor ... the rest is sweat World Shotokan Karate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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