TJA Posted February 20, 2003 Posted February 20, 2003 I thought this might be a great topic for discussion - Where and When did jiujitsu/jujutsu originate? This will open up a lot of information to all, as well as enjoyable dialog. So..... let's get started.
Kensai Posted February 20, 2003 Posted February 20, 2003 Well......... A shaolin monk that specialised in Chin Na (Chinese art of seizing and locking joints) fled China in fear of the oppresive ruling body. After arriving he began to teach the Japanese Chin Na. Which over time evolved into a more aggressive Japanese system. From this indivdual styles appeared. However you may relise that Japan has a lot more locking techniques that any other nation. This is for reason: ARMOUR. In China, the majoty of battles were fought between un-armoured combants (same goes for Korea). This in turn bred a large number of STRIKING sytems. For example, Tai Chi, Hsing I, BaGua, Choy Li fut, large part of Shaolin, and the older Korean styles like Tang Soo Do. Although thats not to say that they dont contain locking movements. However, the Japanese grew i near total isolation from Asia. The Japanese People were feircely nationalist and hated anything coming from foreign nations. The Japanese, unlike nearly every other nation in Asia took EXTREME pride in its warrior class. And they the "Bushi" were created. Japan was largely lawless and the Bushi or Samurai could impose there will due to the techiques that they knew. Over time each caln had its own style and way of doing things. This lead to conflict that lasted some 400 years. Because of this warrior class, they demanded to be well protected unlike their poorer neighbouring countrys. Thus the developement of the Samurai armour. Striking techniques are useless against armoured attackers. So Chin Na and the beginning of Jujutsu was born. As the only way other than using a weapon to damage your attacker, was to attack the joints of the armour. There is quick summary.
SaiFightsMS Posted February 20, 2003 Posted February 20, 2003 This could really be an interesting discussion. Those of us who do not practice a grappling art could learn a lot from this thread. So please remember to be respectful to each other and share your best information.
Kirves Posted February 21, 2003 Posted February 21, 2003 I would recommend anyone really interested in this to read Donn F. Draeger's trilogy "Martial Arts and Ways Of Japan": Part 1: Classical Bujutsu Part 2: Classical Budo Part 3: Modern Bujutsu and Budo Part 1 explains the history of the samurai arts and part 2 explains how the classical jujutsu came to it's current form a couple hundred years ago, weapons being less of a focus anymore. Part three tells the story of karate, judo, aikido, shorinji kempo and modern jujutsu. I suggest reading them from the beginning to learn lots of interesting things that will help the reader understand the things that happened later.
Karateka_latino Posted February 22, 2003 Posted February 22, 2003 Just a little tiny correction in your post Kensai.. the Old Korean Style wasn't called Tang Soo Do... it was called Soo Bahk that's one of the older Korean martial arts. Tang Soo Do name started to be used after 1945 when the Japanese left Korea.. and the Korean were starting to look for there martial Arts identity.
BonnyBoy Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 Kensai, insightful post, very good! What book(s) contains that information? I'll be trying to get my hands on the books Kirves reccomended, but I was just wondering what specific book(s) you got it from if they're different to the ones Kirves mentioned. There are always two choices, two paths. One choice is easy and its only reward is it's easy.It takes sacrifice to be the best.
SBN Doug Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 ...Tang Soo Do name started to be used after 1945 when the Japanese left Korea.. and the Korean were starting to look for there martial Arts identity. As did many others, including mine, but that's for another topic. Please, carry on with this one. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 kensai your actually missing parts of the history,..... alexander the great supposively taught the indians "wrestling" than the indians taught the chinese, the chinese taught the japanese and the japanese taught the brazilians "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Kensai Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 I believe that Martial Arts in the strictist sence began in India as methods of keeping healthy taught to the Shaolin from the Delilama (sp?). However, if you want to first martial art that was Amoeba-jutsu.................. Bonnyboy, the majority of that I stringed together from different websites and texts. The majority of it was from Aikido and the Dyanmic Sphere and Secrets of the Samurai both by Ratti and Westbrook. Hope this helps.
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