PhilM1 Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 i dont know a lot about jiu jitsu but i know a tiny bit so when i grapple my friend he always puts me in scissor lock (where both his legs are around my stomach and he squeezes so i run out of air) he has never made me tap out because i have only one defense for it. i take short quick breaths so my lungs dont expand so far that his little submission works. i do it until he is tired of squeezing and then i bust loose. but i would rather have a better way of escaping and expecially one that would catch him way off gaurd. if you could reply with any that would be greatly appreciated!! fight til you die
Kyle-san Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 What I try and do when I'm caught is a scissors is to focus on the ankles and attempt to wedge a foot or hand in between them. Barring that, I'm not sure. Pressure points, maybe?
Kensai Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 I would go for a choke. As he puts the scissor lock on, lean into it, put your right arm and grab his left inside collar and use your left arm and put it into his right inside collar you have nami-juji-jime. Once your arms are inplace, the cross of your arms should meet at his adams apple. From there lean right onto him, if anything, it should get him to release the lock.
omnifinite Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 Elbow in the crotch. It's right there . 1st Dan HapkidoColored belts in Kempo and Jujitsu
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 hes his friend ,lets say a non-striking aproach, get up onto your knees than drive your elbows into his inner thighs and push them down, than proceed to pass his guard "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Mr Heel Hook Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 Pretty much what Jiu Jitsu Fighter said. If you can't do that, then just wait it out (if I am getting the picture right) let him waist his energy with squeezing you. It kinda sounds ridiculous to me that he would try and submit you in such. However, I don't mean just sit there the whole time and do nothing. You should keep a hand posted on his thigh ready to push him off and yourself out. I dunno, the whole thing seems a bit silly. How do you end up there in the first place? "A deer admires a lion. But all the members of our family are lions. So it doesn't matter which lion I admire. " -Rener Gracie-
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 WHATEVER YOU DO, EITHER KEEP BOTH HAND IN HIS LEGS OR BOTH HANDS OUT, CUZ IF YOU PUT ONLY ONE IN THAN UR GONNA GET TRIANGLED (choked) and im sure you don't want that "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Mr Heel Hook Posted February 14, 2003 Posted February 14, 2003 I don't think he will get triangled if I am understanding this correctly. Now, do you mean you are in his guard, or like...he has you between his legs with you on your back and one of his legs under you and the other other you? "A deer admires a lion. But all the members of our family are lions. So it doesn't matter which lion I admire. " -Rener Gracie-
BonnyBoy Posted February 15, 2003 Posted February 15, 2003 I have only ever had one guy do this to me, but he was quite skinny and I could feel his shins really cutting into me. Try grabbing his belt, or placing your hands on his stomach and extending your arms as you push yourself back as far as you can, you'll break his ankles this way, then you can put one leg over his thigh to pass his guard and go into mount, or you can work on passing his guard with both his legs open. My favoured way of breaking the guard is the way jiu-jitsu fighter described, but when I can't get that, the former seems to work well. Another pass you can try is, getting posture, bringing your left leg up so you can stand up - post it out wide and back a bit, so he can't grab your ankle and sweep you. From there, stand up - it'll be hard for him to maintain his closed guard now, and he'll probably open it anyway and try to work something else, but if he doesn't and keeps it closed, place your left hand under his leg (might have to go behind your waist and under his shin, then pull it up under his leg as you bring it past your waist, breaking his guard in the process), then put his leg on your shoulder, as you go back onto the ground, stacking him and passing his guard. The choke Kensai is reffering to is the cross lapel, I don't really advise trying to submit an experienced guy from the guard or anywhere you don't have a dominant position. There are always two choices, two paths. One choice is easy and its only reward is it's easy.It takes sacrifice to be the best.
PhilM1 Posted February 15, 2003 Author Posted February 15, 2003 thank you very much for your advice. to answer some questions i would have to say i dont know how we get into this position all the time. he doesnt do bjj so i have to make do with a wrestler. and i dont even do bjj i just know some from my dojo. how this is usually performed is he gets his legs around me. one under my back and the other on top of my stomach and he puts his ancles together and he sqeezes. fight til you die
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