G95champ Posted February 15, 2003 Posted February 15, 2003 O BTW Heian means Peaceful Mind (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
isshinryu kid Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 The Pinan kata, moves are continuis,The heian is one of the most stagnate katas,I've ever seen. PS Thats My Opinion I could be wrong.
SaiFightsMS Posted February 23, 2003 Author Posted February 23, 2003 It all depends on how they are done. Many people learn a kata on counts in the kyu grades and only later do without counts allowing the kata to flow. They are the same katas just a different name because of the language difference that used to exist between the RyuKyu Islands.
G95champ Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 I think they flow pretty good but I agree with Sai that the fact we teach on counts gives them a robot look until the student starts to understand the kata. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Afro.Fighter. Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 I think they call it Kusanku but I could be wrong. You're right, As far as I know, In Wado, Kushanku is one of the longest katas we have and it is basically just a mixture of all the Pinan katas. But Kushanku was created before the Pinans so perhaps the latter are just a breaking up of Kushanku into smaller seperate patterns. Age-16Rank/Style-1st Dan Wado Ryu Karate DoOccupation-Assistant Instructor
isshinryu kid Posted February 24, 2003 Posted February 24, 2003 I Certainly dont want anyone,Angry or upset about what I said.I Just like the the flow & continuis movements of kata.
SaiFightsMS Posted February 24, 2003 Author Posted February 24, 2003 Afro.Fighter you are correct in that kanku/kushanku holds the origin of the pinan/heian katas. It was Itosu who broke them down. He was a teacher and bringing karate into the school system. Before that the new students learned the naihanchi katas. He thought they were too difficult for the students of the younger age he was beginning to teach. It is also interesting that it was Itosu who broke the kata Nahanchi into three parts or three separate katas. It was at one time all one kata.
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