TJS Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Just wondering why you belive your stlye is effective? I mean have you sparred/fought against people from other styles..had to use your in the street...Watch many of you peers succed..etc... I would like to hear from everyone..Step outside the box and tell me why your stlye is effective. Thanks Guys!
Maestro Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Hey TJS! You gotta step outside the box too and tell us about your style! Anyway, I practice traditional Tae Kwon Do. I've been in two "altercations" since I started, and my impressions were this: I have learned to move to avoid hits instinctivly, and immediatly counter, almost instinctivly, and very effectivly. I've never used the high-kicks in a real situation, but then, I never expect to. The thing is that it has taught me to move and react quickly and powerfully, almost without thinking. Now. I'll admit my opponents did not strike me as skilled fighters, so I may have got off easy, but still, it made a difference. I have sparred agianst a Judo guy, and I had the upper hand as long as I could keep him at arms length, but once he gets in on me, man, I'm done, kills me every time. Might as well take my advice--I don't use it anymore.
Kensai Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Well.......... I guess doing Aikido I have a lot of explaining to do about Aikido's "Martial" effectiveness. So, let us begin: I could spout on about O Sensei and the fact that that his uchideshi just about destroyed everyother style in Japan at the time, including Mauy Thai and some Shaolin schools. But I wont, mainly because they dont apply to me. I have never gone to a Mauy Thai gym and fought anyone. To be honest, I have NO idea HOW effective Aikido is. I have never been in a fight, so I cant say at all with any certainity. So WHY do I think it is effective. I guess it boils down to 2 main factors: FAITH: I have faith in my Sensei. I believe in what she teaches. Not doing ANY full contact work I have no idea whether it works. So the real question is do I want to take my life in my hands, just on FAITH. For example, people will probably something like: "BJJ is a proven system in the ring. With cameras and everything so the WHOLE world can see." I guess my question for them, is can THEY use it. It does not matter a toss if Helio, Renzo Gracie can use BJJ..... its all down to you at the end of the day. Same applies for Aikido, I KNOW that O sensei could use it. But can I............. I dont really know if I want to know the answer. The second is understanding: This is the relisation that it works. For example, if some throws you Shiho-Nage, and does not let go, you'll probably suffer very unpleasant injuies. But how do I KNOW that it will do that. Well I dont, but then again, how do you know a Arm Bar will break your arm if you tap all the time. Very very simple, UNDERSTANDING. Sensei Tohei said it the best, "You dont stand infront of a moving train to KNOW that it would kill you." Some things are certain, the train would kill you. Same applies, a Kote Gaeshi (wrist twist) fully applied would rip your wrist out. Simple, because I can feel the pain even when its not fully applied with all the momentum that could be used. As for the typical reply of, "I can react like a cat instantly and with no hesatation. I can smash boards with my bare hands, I have fought in NHB tournments with my BJJ/MT and won......." These are all amazing things, but not true effectiveness. At the end of the day, its how you react at one given time in the universe. Training or no training in Mauy Thai, BJJ, JJJ, Shaolin, Aikido, TKD, Karate even Tae Bo. It does'nt really matter. Because you win one day and lose the next, does not make an art any more or less effective. Its all about you and whether you truely understand and believe.
Maestro Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 kensai, have no fear, I watched a friend of mine (TKD, better than I) spar an aikido guy full out. The guy took my friend apart. That whole redirection thing is crazy effective. Might as well take my advice--I don't use it anymore.
TJS Posted February 11, 2003 Author Posted February 11, 2003 Well I guess of the 23 people that viewed this thread only Maestro and Kensai can give a reason why their styles is effective! Anywyas I forgot me, I do Krav Maga. I belive it's effective because: 1)The techniques are based on instinctive reactions so they will work under stress. 2) whenever we learn a technique such as a choke defense,headlock, etc I find someone big and strong to Find out if the defense really works...I have them Really apply it to see if i can escape..instead of Just going thru the motions. 3) as far as combatives and standup fighting I spar quite a bit (sometimes with other styles) and I rescently entered a Full contact kickboxing tournament, to see how my standup striking worked out against someone trying to take my head off...I won in the second round. I was happy because i was only using half my arsenal( no elbows/knees/leg kicks/groing kicks etc) Now I Plan to test the groundfighting aspect of KM against a few good wrestlers/BJJ student in the future to see how well it works
BlueDragon1981 Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Because it is versitile. We add anything that works for the individual if not they do something else. We teach strinking, joint locks and small amounts of grappling. Its well rounded.
TJS Posted February 12, 2003 Author Posted February 12, 2003 Because it is versitile. We add anything that works for the individual if not they do something else. We teach strinking, joint locks and small amounts of grappling. Its well rounded. Well I was looking for more of "how have you tested it to make sure it works" or "what reasoning do you have" But those are all good aspects.
StormKrow Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 I wouldn't go so far as to say, "My Style".... Granted, Kuntaw has a lot of tools at one's disposal, but when it's all said and done, isn't it really the practitioner that causes an art to be effect or not? I happen to consider myself a fairly proficient knife fighter...does that mean I want to look for one? No. I'm also fairly adept at gun disarms....does that mean I want to stand in front of one to try it out? No. (Although if you do this demonstration, youre students will be amazed that the can't pull the trigger faster than you can get out of the way.)... It's not so much the art, it's not even the belt...it's the person that stands behind them....that's what makes things effective. Perfect example. I bounced in a metal bar for several years....NOT ONCE, did I ever have to strike someone, or cause undue pain...I'd have liked to, but it wasn't necessary to diffuse the situation. On the other hand, you have Joe "Karate Kid Jr." Smith, who goes to one lesson, and thinks he's Ralph Macchio. Anyway, enough of my philosophical ravings..hehe. Just thought I'd share that thought. ---You can run.......but why die tired?
G95champ Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Simple answer. Because I am ready mentally. Style don't matter its the person. If anyone of us is day dreaming we can be attacked and KO at anytime. If we are on our guard and alert this is less likely to happen and if it does then the actions I take is a result of my work in the dojo not the dojo I am in. Sort of like in Football. It don't matter if your in a Run and Shoot or a Wing T. If you do what you have been trained to do you will be fine. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Kyle-san Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 I'm currently studying Jujutsu and I know it's effective for a few reasons, most of which have already been stated. -I have faith in my techniques and myself, I know that if the situation arises I've been prepared well enough to keep myself together and do what's needed to get out of there as quickly as I can. Wether than means giving up my wallet to the mugger with a gun or redirecting the drunk at the bar, because I've practiced the techniques and I understand them they'll work. -In class we have a certain period of time where we're attacked randomly and we have to react and defend ourselves. It's currently one attack/one defence, but it help build the reactions and confidence in the techniques. -It's proven that Jujutsu works in a variety of situations from a bar fight to use by Law Enforcement officials. It doesn't need to be proven in the ring in front of the cameras for the world, it's already been shown to work on the streets.
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