Wing Chun Vs. Boxing

[Stold]

Who said anything about the UFC or professional NHB fighters? Just because some successful NHB practitioners trained in boxing makes it great? Hell Bas trained in Tae Kwon Do.

 

Wing Chun can (and has, for me anyways) beat boxers. I only saw two WC practitioners fight in the old UFC...One moved like a robot and basically sat there as the wrestler shot on him, the other one you couldn't even tell practiced WC(it's like he had no sense of where the hell his center line was, although he did at least try and keep squared.)

 

As far as I am concerned, I've never seen a decent fighter using WC in any NHB match. Besides, they'd have to know a lot more than WC if they expect to win against a fighter trained in all ranges.

[TJS]

Just because some successful NHB practitioners trained in boxing makes it great?

 

no because boxing has been proven againt other stlyes....It's not coinsidence that so many fighters train in it.

Hell Bas trained in Tae Kwon Do

 

does he use it in the ring? does he say it's useful? no..not a good anaolgy...people who have trained in boxing can use it to win fights.

Wing Chun can (and has, for me anyways) beat boxers

 

alot comes down to the person..but when you look at top fighters there has never been a WC practicioner to succed in any way shape or form.

As far as I am concerned, I've never seen a decent fighter using WC in any NHB match.

 

and you never will, do you honestly belive there are any WC fighter that could win against todays fighters? if someone could they would have done it by now.

 

It's true that no one stlye wins...but WC combined with anything has still never had succes like boxing, Muay thai, BJJ etc.

 

 

 

the bottom line is WC has never even begun to compete at the level boxing has...Wrestlers/Grapplers train in Boxing for better hands.....Muay Thai fighters even cross train in boxing quite often...same for Kyokushin...If WC had something to offer that boxing didint or was more effective you would see more fighters training in it...and thatsa fact...you cant argue with succes.

[Stold]

no because boxing has been proven againt other stlyes....It's not coinsidence that so many fighters train in it.

 

Then you should have said that instead of mindlessly listing off a bunch of fighters that have at one time trained in boxing.

does he use it in the ring? does he say it's useful? no..not a good anaolgy...people who have trained in boxing can use it to win fights.

 

Um, yes, he does. It is a good analogy. I trained in TKD beforehand and have used it to win a fight. Is that a shock?

alot comes down to the person..but when you look at top fighters there has never been a WC practicioner to succed in any way shape or form.

 

Why do you keep bringing this up and trying to turn this into a BOXING IS BETTER THAN WC debate, because it really isn't. WC does not have the reputation as an effective art and there is a slim chance than an NHB practitioner is going to waste his time training in it. If he were to seek training, there is a 99% chance that he would fall on a dojo that does not practice realisticly with free sparring.

and you never will, do you honestly belive there are any WC fighter that could win against todays fighters? if someone could they would have done it by now.

 

It's true that no one stlye wins...but WC combined with anything has still never had succes like boxing, Muay thai, BJJ etc.

 

I honestly believe that WC would make an excellent addition to someones arsenal. Do you believe there is a pure boxer that could win against todays NHB fighters? Um, no, he would get murdered.

the bottom line is WC has never even begun to compete at the level boxing has...Wrestlers/Grapplers train in Boxing for better hands.....Muay Thai fighters even cross train in boxing quite often...same for Kyokushin...If WC had something to offer that boxing didint or was more effective you would see more fighters training in it...and thatsa fact...you cant argue with succes.

 

Yes, and thats a good reason to dismiss it as useless I guess. Smell the sarcasm? Maybe you should try WC, learn some of it before you dismiss it as useless, as it has quite a lot to offer that boxing does not.I have trained extensively at both, my father actually wanted me to drop out of highschool to train boxing full time. I can argue with success all I want.

[TJS]

Then you should have said that instead of mindlessly listing off a bunch of fighters that have at one time trained in boxing.

 

They were not random fighters who have trained in boxing at one time..Don Frye, Vitor Belfort, Gary goodridge, Nog,Tank etc...have not only trained in it they still train in it and WIN against world class fighters using it...once again WC cannot claim one top figher to it's name.

Um, yes, he does

 

no, really he does not..when he fights he uses a combination of Muay Thai and Kyokushin for standup and submission grappling...he looks nothing like a TKD fighter and has even made several comments about it I would suggest looking at.

WC does not have the reputation as an effective art and there is a slim chance than an NHB practitioner is going to waste his time training in it

 

thats exactly my point.

Do you believe there is a pure boxer that could win against todays NHB fighters?

 

no a pure boxer would not win, but you missing the point- Boxers and Muay Thai fighers that cross train in BJJ/wrestling/etc can and do win on a regular basis...WC has never been able to do that once again.

 

Boxers/Muay Thai fighters that can grapple are very succesful in todays world...and there is not a single WC practicioner who has been able to do that...

 

 

Yes, and thats a good reason to dismiss it as useless I guess

 

I never said WC was useless or Anything negative about it...Im posting facts..not biased opinion..

 

the FACTS are-

 

Boxers compete on the top levels and WC has never even consistently won in any serious fighintg event in the last 10 years.

 

Top fighters seek out And cross train in Boxing many times...The do not Seek out WC..if it were more effective it would be obvious.

 

Keep saying im bashing WC or whatever..im not imsimply stating facts...and when you step back and take an unbiased view I think the conclusion is a clear one.

[Stold]

No, here's what you're saying: "Nobody uses WC and everyone uses boxing so it's obviously better, even though I have no experience with it."

 

I didn't say you were bashing, but you lept to try prove that boxing was better than WC.

 

Bas has used TKD in a lot of his fights. Watch some of the higher kicks.

[TJS]

Nobody uses WC and everyone uses boxing so it's obviously better, even though I have no experience with it."

 

It's called drawing conclusions based on evidence...I dont have to drive a Ferrari to know its faster than a Civic now do I?

Bas has used TKD in a lot of his fights. Watch some of the higher kicks

 

yes, since Muay Thai end especially Kyokushin dont have high kicks

 

His kicks are nothing like TKD snap kicks..not in any way..diffrent stance, contact point(shin not the ball of the foot), and recoil(swinging thru instead of snapping back) yet it's TKD kick eh? intresting conclusion.

[Stold]

It's called drawing conclusions based on evidence...I dont have to drive a Ferrari to know its faster than a Civic now do I?

 

Interesting analogy, but a better one would be a Lancer Evolution VIII and a Ferrari. They both have different strengths and weaknesses. Sure the ferrari is faster, but a Lan Evo will take the hairpin turns much better.

His kicks are nothing like TKD snap kicks..not in any way..diffrent stance, contact point(shin not the ball of the foot), and recoil(swinging thru instead of snapping back) yet it's TKD kick eh? intresting conclusion.

 

TKD snap kicks? Since when are all TKD roundhouses snap kicks? I quit instructing TKD about two year ago, but if I remember correctly, the only reason you would snap the kick back is if you foresaw a grab, or if you were using the kick in a tournament style jab. TKD kicks penetrate just like every other kick, only they strike with the instep and the ankle is kept limp.( As a matter of fact, in WTF sparring, your kick really has to move the opponent at least a little bit for you to score a point) And I have seen him throw a high kicks to the head like that(That's really all they are good for IMO, unless you have a clear shot on the knee. Muay Thai kicks are much better for striking the nerve cluster along the side of the thigh.)

[TJS]

ok, assuming your right that still leaves the stance he throws them from and the fact that he uses his shin and not the ball of his foot...both point ot Muay Thai.

[WC-Strayder]

TJS, what do you know about Wing Chun?. Have you ever tryed it?. Or better, spared with a wing chun fighter?. Or even better than that, do you know anything about boxing at all?. I been looking around the different posts here on the forum a lot latelly and there where no supprice that your name came up all over the place and no supprice too see that you basically know all about every style there is, that is that they don't work offcause!.

 

Except from BJJ, do you have anything good to say about any other style, really??. I personally think you just grabs whatever you know out of thin air or draws conclusions based on some videos you seen. So stop it, please!. It's very anoying to get seriuos treads fooled about all the time, with nothing to show for other than some shoot video of some sort. So wake up and grow up, please!.

 

I have done boxing for 3 years and know for sure that Wing Chun will rip down the boxers defence with a combination of strikes and kicks and that has nothing to do with what the "big guys" has done or how pop boxing are comp. to Wing Chun!.

 

And again, it has nothing to what style/art/whatever, but how you use it!. Are you bad, you loose with whatever and are you good you will win with whatever. Show some respect, OK?.

[monkeygirl]

Getting too heated, defensive, and wayyyyy off-topic.