martialartist1 Posted April 26, 2003 Posted April 26, 2003 yeh the hook is hard to defend against a strong opponent boxer. you should try dodging the hook, once thats done hold his punching arm and then attack, its like the opponents punching weight as he swings the hook round is avoided and suddenly the force is transfered as you stop his punching arm. Try alternating hands to suit you most aswell so that the science of wing chun would work again. Also you can attack him before he attacks you, like JKD style of Bruce Lee. normally the wing chun punches are not that effective when wearing boxing gloves so its better to not wear them. you stand more chance of winning in bard knuckle fight.
Lee Posted April 27, 2003 Posted April 27, 2003 1. JKD isn't a style lol 2. I guess most of the ways to defend against the Hook have been mentioned. But what about ducking? You wouldn't waste any time moving/dodging, and you wouldn't need energy to block it. You'd simply be in the same spot and hopefully your body is low enough to quickly recover, then chain punch the guy in his centerline. "Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Put water into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot. Now water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend."- Bruce Lee
TJS Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 1. JKD isn't a style lol 2. I guess most of the ways to defend against the Hook have been mentioned. But what about ducking? You wouldn't waste any time moving/dodging, and you wouldn't need energy to block it. You'd simply be in the same spot and hopefully your body is low enough to quickly recover, then chain punch the guy in his centerline. If your going to duck it then yuo definetly should not stay there you should bob and weave to his dead side and work the angles.
Wing Chun Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 i still say ive found tan sao the most effective way to deal with a hook. you could from there chain punch him, elbow strikes or i thought how about minimizing his next hook if he gets one. at the point at which his hook meets your 'tan sao' his bicep muscle would be tense. if you've got a good chop and know how to strike with the 'chopping' part of your hand, you could chop his bicep, which will damage the muscle for a little while at least. so whats the opinions on wing chun versus boxing anyway? 1) in the ring 2) on the street my opinions are, in the ring obviouslyboxing coz wing chun cant really use gloves. on the street its hard, coz boxing is a tremendous art. but i think wing chun would win. wing chun does have kicks, low ones which can work. footwork is evry good in both arts. blocking wing chun has the advantage but boxers would be every fast but if the wing chunner is as fast as he should be, explosive then he should win. also if both are advanced it would be more interesting. the boxer would be faster more pwerful etc. but then so would the wing chunner but by that time he may have also be studying 'bil jee', the so called emergency form. the techniques in there are very powerful and i dont think a boxer would be able to handle them.
jeffin Posted April 28, 2003 Posted April 28, 2003 WIng chun. A proper hook is kept very very close to the body with the fore arm parralel to the body is it possible your mistaking a hook for a cross? Either way a block for a hook would definitly not involve going for the bicep in any way - a haymaker possibly. A tight raised triangle across the head (silat/boxing style) or a evasion is the best defence. pete, The superior man is modest in his speech, but excels in his actions.Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)Crosstraining in bjj/silat/muaythai/jkd/JJJ/kickboxing
Stold Posted April 28, 2003 Author Posted April 28, 2003 Wow...Look at all the good replies. I haven't been here in quite a while, so I'm a bit behind. I dont have a lotta time right now so I'll make this short. I've already overcome the hook problem. ^______^ Whenever I am in hook range I constantly apply the forward pressure that is intended when attacking. I'm not sure why it works, but it works. The forward pressure seems to stop the hooks. Maybe it's because straight punches really do beat curved ones.
Wing Chun Posted April 30, 2003 Posted April 30, 2003 thank you jeffin i think it is possible. could you please give a description of both again with a bit more detail so i can really say how wing chun would deal with the hook if i have got it wrong. thanks. no one has answered the other question i posed about wing chun actually versus boxing in ring and on street.
TJS Posted April 30, 2003 Posted April 30, 2003 thank you jeffin i think it is possible. could you please give a description of both again with a bit more detail so i can really say how wing chun would deal with the hook if i have got it wrong. thanks. no one has answered the other question i posed about wing chun actually versus boxing in ring and on street. I think there is a reason why you dont see WC competing against boxers very often...if they had succes they they would compete. I think boxers have the best hands of anyone..and they had better since that is that makes up 100% of their training.
Stold Posted April 30, 2003 Author Posted April 30, 2003 Hm, I've had plenty of success against boxers recently. I mean, no, I've never fought Tapia, but then again I'm no Boztepe. Of course I'd lose in a ring wearing those goofy gloves while trying to punch WC style. But with NHB gloves I don't have much trouble. Boxers and WC stylists fight at different ranges. For me it's all about protecting myself until i can step inside.
TJS Posted April 30, 2003 Posted April 30, 2003 Hm, I've had plenty of success against boxers recently. I mean, no, I've never fought Tapia, but then again I'm no Boztepe. Of course I'd lose in a ring wearing those goofy gloves while trying to punch WC style. But with NHB gloves I don't have much trouble. Boxers and WC stylists fight at different ranges. For me it's all about protecting myself until i can step inside. many of todays top fighters are boxers who also cross train in grappling/wrestling...Vitor Belfort, Antonio rodrigo noguiera, etc.. I dont think WC has ever had any succes even in the early UFC's when there were no gloves.
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