It Was Just A Matter Of Time!!

[sensei8]

4 hours ago, bushido_man96 said:

This was not done by all police, but by this particular department.  Not every department is doing this.  It's not a blanket approach to law enforcement.

I wouldn’t think that every police department would do this; that’s the good thing.

[DarthPenguin]

22 hours ago, bushido_man96 said:

This was not done by all police, but by this particular department.  Not every department is doing this.  It's not a blanket approach to law enforcement.

Yeah, i assume that every dept. will be different. Plus i assume in such an apparently egregious case she has room to sue? As an outsider the USA does always appear to be a very litigious society so if she is not sueing then it does raise some red flags tbh

[KarateKen]

14 hours ago, DarthPenguin said:

Yeah, i assume that every dept. will be different. Plus i assume in such an apparently egregious case she has room to sue? As an outsider the USA does always appear to be a very litigious society so if she is not suing then it does raise some red flags tbh

Yes, she is planning to sue for a lot of money, not sure how much.  If she does win the lawsuit, the taxpayers will get stuck with the bill.  I doubt there will be any repercussions by the Fargo police against the detectives, so far it looks like nobody has been fired or demoted. The Fargo Police Chief is retiring and has declined to answer questions about the situation, according to what I read. Repletely turning down on camera interviews and when asked about it at a press conference his answer was "we are not here to talk about that today."  So....the police screw up, the lady loses her job and her house, plus five months of her life that was spent behind bars, the taxpayers pay out if/when she wins the lawsuit, and nobody from the police who created this mess are being held accountable.  I don't know what it is like where you are, but nothing seems to make sense in America anymore! 

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[DarthPenguin]

2 hours ago, KarateKen said:

Yes, she is planning to sue for a lot of money, not sure how much.  If she does win the lawsuit, the taxpayers will get stuck with the bill.  I doubt there will be any repercussions by the Fargo police against the detectives, so far it looks like nobody has been fired or demoted. The Fargo Police Chief is retiring and has declined to answer questions about the situation, according to what I read. Repletely turning down on camera interviews and when asked about it at a press conference his answer was "we are not here to talk about that today."  So....the police screw up, the lady loses her job and her house, plus five months of her life that was spent behind bars, the taxpayers pay out if/when she wins the lawsuit, and nobody from the police who created this mess are being held accountable.  I don't know what it is like where you are, but nothing seems to make sense in America anymore! 

I must admit i reread it and i have some more questions! I work using AI a lot in my work life and it is standard to be checked but that isn't what raises the questions:

I can understand that the individual may have matched an AI visual image, which i assume is similar to what would occur with an image generated by a sketch artist? If so i assume there is some kind of physical identification required too? This might be overly swayed by watching tv shows but wouldn't there then be some kind of line up performed? I also doubt that Uber Eats receipts would be sufficient unless there is evidence of location on the device ordering it etc. For example is it not possible for me to order something in a location where i am not currently present, pay for it and get the receipt but i was never there?

Thats not saying there may not have been some improper actions from the police force, i don't know enough to comment on that but it does raise some questions.

As an outsider it does always appear that there are two distinct sides in the USA: one side who criticises the police no matter what they have done and the other who supports them no matter what they have done! I won't ask which side you lean towards since i don't think that is appropriate for this forum, nor will i share my thoughts on the underlying systemic things i believe are different in the USA and contribute to these issues that i don't think we (currently) have in Scotland / the UK!

[KarateKen]

10 hours ago, DarthPenguin said:

I must admit i reread it and i have some more questions! I work using AI a lot in my work life and it is standard to be checked but that isn't what raises the questions:

I can understand that the individual may have matched an AI visual image, which i assume is similar to what would occur with an image generated by a sketch artist? If so i assume there is some kind of physical identification required too? This might be overly swayed by watching tv shows but wouldn't there then be some kind of line up performed? I also doubt that Uber Eats receipts would be sufficient unless there is evidence of location on the device ordering it etc. For example is it not possible for me to order something in a location where i am not currently present, pay for it and get the receipt but i was never there?

Thats not saying there may not have been some improper actions from the police force, i don't know enough to comment on that but it does raise some questions.

As an outsider it does always appear that there are two distinct sides in the USA: one side who criticises the police no matter what they have done and the other who supports them no matter what they have done! I won't ask which side you lean towards since i don't think that is appropriate for this forum, nor will i share my thoughts on the underlying systemic things i believe are different in the USA and contribute to these issues that i don't think we (currently) have in Scotland / the UK!

From what I read from an online discussion of this story, not an official report, the AI facial recognition scan was on Facebook and scanned a photo of her off the Facebook page from 17 years ago.  

I also looked at a CNN report which states that the AI software "match" was enough for a North Dakota judge to issue an arrest warrant. The woman hired a lawyer who found bank records that proved she was not in North Dakota at the time of the bank robbery.  The details of how that was proven were not provided.   

The photo that the AI tool was looking to match, and did match the Tennessee woman with, was from a fake ID used in the crime.  The facial AI tool was from an adjacent police department, West Fargo PD in West Fargo, ND.  The Fargo PD made some errors in using the technology (obviously) and have stated they will not be using the West Fargo PD AI tool anymore.  The entire story about the AI tool is long and complex, but this is why you don't blindly follow AI, I mean it is Artificial Intelligence.

I am generally pro police.  I think cops should be treated with respect and they have one of the toughest and least appreciated jobs in the world.  The news loves this stuff.  They like running a story of police mistakes, it makes for public reaction.  When the cops do a great job, which they often do, that is almost never a headline.  I am also pro accountability, especially of those who hold a high position of authority/power, which the police and judges do.  When people in power make mistakes, others suffer, and they should be held properly accountable.  

[JazzKicker]

Before I retired, I  was an automation engineer. I worked with equipment like vision systems, robots, logic controllers, motion controls, databases, etc. Most of my work was in pharmaceutical and medical devices, which is highly regulated. Proper operation has to be validated and documented. System updates are controlled and carefully tested. Human safety is at stake, so poor quality, unreliability, is unacceptable.

Culturally, software is somehow allowed to be buggy, unreliable. Just reboot, or download an update, and it'll be OK. Well, that's not OK with a self-driving vehicle. With AI, it can hallucinate, and the people who programmed it can't tell you why.

Visions systems and databases only work as well as they're trained. I've seen my car think the speed limit is 45mph, when it's been lowered to 35, or 80 when it's actually 30. AI training sets are created manually with sweatshop labor in the Global South, it's not magic. Thanks, but I'll drive.