Rare Styles: KishimotoDi, UdunDi, To'on-Ryu, Kojo-Ryu, etc.

[bushido_man96]

On 1/28/2025 at 2:47 PM, Wastelander said:

Personally, I think there SHOULD be a competition format that is actually designed for pressure testing karate, and I think kakedameshi is the best option for that. Yes, it's still mutual combat, and you aren't reacting to untrained ruffians trying to mug you, but it forces you to fight at close range using the techniques of the kata.

You'd have to define that word in bold above for me; I'm not familiar with it.  Could you elaborate further, either here or in a separate article, the ruleset and layout you'd suggest?  I'd be really interested in reading it.

[Wastelander]

8 hours ago, bushido_man96 said:

You'd have to define that word in bold above for me; I'm not familiar with it.  Could you elaborate further, either here or in a separate article, the ruleset and layout you'd suggest?  I'd be really interested in reading it.

I actually wrote a fairly lengthy post on kakedameshi here on KF about 6 years ago:

As far as the competition ruleset, without getting into the weeds, the gist of it would be to award points for strikes, joint locks, strangleholds, and throws/sweeps/takedowns, as well as ring-outs, keeping your opponent on the ground, or getting back up while your opponent tries to keep you on the ground. Of course, if knockouts and submissions are allowed, then the points become less important, but the majority of people will not participate if knockouts are an option because it isn't safe.

[DarthPenguin]

I just read through your prior 2019 post @Wastelander and it was really interesting! I can totally see how that would be an excellent training activity. Only question i would have would be on how applicable it would be to competition. I think it would work fine from the purposes of people competing, and allowing for development of skills. Not sure how it would translate to a competition that may be spectated (and not sure if that is something you would be aiming for anyway - though if trying to grow the art maybe you would be?). It strikes me that it may end up somewhat similar to watching a bjj competition which unless you are really into bjj can often be very dull as you just see two people hugging a lot and don't pick up the technical intricacies (obviously there is the odd exception but i am sure you get the point).

What just came into my head though was how it might be really really well suited to building interest via seminars etc. I am thinking of stuff like Ian Abernethy's work where he travels a lot and teaches his techniques and is pretty well known. I could see a place for something similar with Noah Legel's kakedameshi courses!