Bourne Identity fight scenes

[JerryLove]

I've studied with Paul, and Victor, and enough with Williem that he can recite elements of my personal life. But thanks for the non-sequiter.

 

Yes, Kali makes a great deal of sense. The FMA and IMA have a great deal in common, and I'm not suprised that stylized kali would look like styliized Silat to me.

[magikchiongson]

=P Are you Sigung Clear? Jerrylove?

[JerryLove]

Pretty off-topic.

 

No I am not.

[Kensai]

I always thought Kali was sticks? Whats the difference with Silat?

[JerryLove]

A dangerous question because it plays in generalities.

 

Let me say that there are many hundred styles of Silat. They range from purely combative, to cerimonial; from extrememly demanding to extremely easy.

 

That said. Kali is a fighting art which is inteneded to work with or without weapons, and tends to train weapon in hand. Silat is much the same except it is less common to train with a weapon in hand.

 

There are differences to be sure, but with many styles of both art-goups, I'm sure I can find a kali and a silat that look more similar to one another than a given pair of either.

 

In otherwords, there's no simple way to answer your question except to tell you that your belief that kali is an art which only trains how to fight with sticks is incorrect.

[Kirves]

Difference: Kali is a Filipino art, Silat is Indonesian.

 

Kali = Sticks? A common misconception. Kali is as complete a martial art as any. It has lots of different weapons but also a complete empty hand curriculum. What makes it different is that it starts with everything from the start. Many arts begin with empty hand, and wait until you are very good at it before introducing weaponry. Kali on the other hands begins with weapons and empty hand stuff together. Every technique is similar with a stick, with two sticks, or with empty hands. And you may be taught the technique first with sticks, but then you practice it without the sticks too. It makes no difference what kind of a club you are holding in your hands, or if you are just hitting with the hand, when you are skilled in Kali.

[magikchiongson]

Kali is practiced more by Christianized Filipinos, I've never even heard of Kali before I came here, only Eskrima and Arnis, which means its probably more of a Western thing.

 

Silat is practiced by Muslim Filipinos in the Southern Islands, near Indonesia.

[Kirves]

I've never even heard of Kali before I came here, only Eskrima and Arnis, which means its probably more of a Western thing.

 

Kali is the term used by people like Dan Inosanto. It is not just a different word for escrima, it's more about style, some styles of FMA call their stylee kali, some styles call their style eskrima with k, other styles call their style escrima with c, etc.

 

If you read books like "Filipino Martial Arts" by Inosanto where dozens of styles are listed, several "old school" styles use Kali too, like Villabrille Kali which is probably one of the best known FMA styles altogether.

[magikchiongson]

Well Dan also claims that Kali is term used by Filipinos from Mindanao, when in truth you won't find it anywhere in Mindanao other than in Christian Filipino Enclaves.

 

There was never any set system of fighting in the Philippines a person simply had their way of fighting, and they offered to teach how they fought to their student. Call it what you will, if it helps you attempt to categorize these arts, but in truth Arnis, Kali, Eskrima, whatever you want to call it is just too muddled to ever be really able to define them into set systems.

 

In short, I can learn Eskrima call it Kali and open a shop at your local downtown dojo and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Some people might be tyring to standardize Kali now, and that's well and good but the original sources for what is now being called Kali came from Arnistadors, Eskrimadors who didn't know what the in the hell Westerners were talking about when they approached them to learn "Kali".

[Kirves]

i.e. just as I said. different instructors use different terms as they please. Villabrille called it kali, thus his style is Villabrille Kali. Cabales called it escrima, thus his style is Cabales Serrada Escrima.