Tombstone Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 i happen to like what your doing. i think its good when someone branches out. and it seems you've put alot of thought into this. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolair Posted January 23, 2003 Author Share Posted January 23, 2003 OK, I've decided to reject the name "Greenoch", amusing as it was, for something in a similar vein but without the comic connections.... ... the name I'm pretty much deciding to go for (I'd like to hear people's reactions, however trivial something like a name is to the whole of the style) is gunlann. This comes from the Scottish Gaelic words gun "without", and lann "blade" ... "without blade" signifying "unarmed" (I guess a bit like "kara te" being "empty hand" signifying "unarmed"). The vowel in the gun part should NOT be pronounced as in the english word "gun" but more to rhyme with "good" or "book". OK? Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Good idea iolair, seeing as you have a good amount of experience and knowledge. However, why name it "without-blade" when you teach armed/bladed combat? Good luck! JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolair Posted February 20, 2003 Author Share Posted February 20, 2003 Good idea iolair, seeing as you have a good amount of experience and knowledge. However, why name it "without-blade" when you teach armed/bladed combat? Good luck!Sorry, I didn't see this reply before! Thanks for the feedback.... the rationale behind teaching dagger/knife and cudgel/stick fighting is not to produce expert fighters in these areas, but instead to promote understanding of how these weapons are used and practice defending/sparring against a skilled attacker using them. Knife vs Knife would not be taught, for example... Some stick fighting is included at higher grades, as there are many stick-like objects that might be at hand, that you could use as an aid to streetfighting or self defence. Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrenline Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 ummmm... your basically ripping off bjj, boxing, and muay thai/tkd kicks, repackaging it, and calling it something else...... many guys do this today, and I dont know why. my website: http://www.liquidfission.commy forums http://www.liquidfission.com/phpbb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolair Posted February 21, 2003 Author Share Posted February 21, 2003 (edited) your basically ripping off bjj, boxing, and muay thai/tkd kicks, repackaging it, and calling it something else...... many guys do this today, and I dont know why.Yes, you could look at it like that... The difference here is: 1) to try to take the minimum number of techniques at each distance in order to be effective, so that these small number of techniques can be learnt very well - and also that the outline of the system can be learnt quickly. This contrasts with most other martial arts (boxing and muay thai are exceptions) that tend to have dozens and dozens of techniques ... TKD, Karate "waste" a lot of time on high kicks and jumping kicks that are useful so rarely that it would have been better to spend the time reinforcing basics. 2) A strong emphasis on the basics (groundwork, footwork, conditioning, defence, falling). Many martial arts concentrate heavily on techniques at the expense of other fighting skills - particularly footwork. (Boxing is the only significant exception I can think of). 3) As for "ripping off" other styles - well, we all have the same sort of bodies and there's only so many things you can do with it. Many martial arts have similar techniques anyway. For the record though, the choice of techniques most heavily influenced by (more or less in order) boxing, judo, savate, karate, fencing, western amateur wrestling, and muay thai. I certainly was NOT influenced by TKDs bias towards (rather impractical) high kicks. To reiterate, the basic philosophy of Gunlann is to teach 1) The MINIMUM number of techniques required to be truly effective at EVERY range. 2) The BASIC FIGHTING SKILLS such as footwork and groundwork. Edited February 25, 2003 by iolair Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolair Posted February 24, 2003 Author Share Posted February 24, 2003 As several people here have sounded interested, I thought I'd keep you up to date. I've just completed a first complete draft of the grading requirements - would be interested to hear your comments. By the way, I haven't decided what the colours represent yet (e.g. if it's a belt or something else...)Requirements to Achieve Grade (Grading candidates may be asked to display any or all requirements from previous grade levels. The only "double-grading" that may be attempted is for a beginner to attempt to grade straight to Grade 2 instead of Grade 1. Whether a candidate has successfully performed the techniques or performed adequately in sparring is solely at the examiner's discretion.) Grade 1: Red Fighting Stance Stepping and Sidestepping Upper Parry Lead Jab to head Lead Jab to body Rear cross to head Front rising knee kick Rear rising knee kick Deliver techniques to pads held by moving partner, 2 x 2 minutes 10 Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion) Run 1 Mile Grade 2: Red Rear cross to body Lead hook punch to head Lead round knee kick Rear round knee kick Lead front kick to body Rear front kick to body Lower Parry Deliver techniques and combinations to pads held by moving partner, 2 x 2 minutes 20 Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion) Run 1 Mile in 9 minutes or less Grade 3: Red Breakfalls (Front, Rear, Side, Rolling) Hip Throw Outer Reaping Throw Lead round kick to leg Rear round kick to leg Lead side kick to knee Leg Block Held Grade 2 for at least 3 months Deliver techniques and combinations to pads held by moving partner, 2 x 3 minutes Demonstrate awareness of self-protection/self-defence issues Grade 4: Blue Lunging Slips and Laybacks Ducking Lead round elbow Rear uppercut to body Rear uppercut to head Lead backfist Rear backfist Held Grade 3 for at least 3 months 10 Knuckle Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion) Evading an attacker using body movements only: 1 x 3 minutes Punches only Semi-Contact Sparring: 3 x 3 minutes Run 1 Mile in 7 Minutes or Less Grade 5: Blue Shoulder Throw Mount Hold Scarf Hold Cross Body Hold Escape from Holds Transitions between holds Return to standing from ground Rear rising elbow to body Rear rising elbow to head Held Grade 4 for at least 4 months 20 Knuckle Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion) Punches, Elbows and Throws Semi-Contact Sparring: 3 x 3 minutes Groundwork "Sparring" (no submissions): 3 x 3 minutes Grade 6: Blue Body drop throw Cross body arm lock Naked choke Defence against chokes Lead back elbow to body Rear back elbow to body Lead back elbow to head Rear back elbow to head Held Grade 5 for at least 4 months Punches, Elbows and Throws Semi-Contact Sparring: 3 x 3 minutes Groundwork "Sparring" (no submissions): 3 x 3 minutes Grade 7: Green Figure-4 Arm Lock Collar Choke Lead round kick to body Rear round kick to body Lead side kick to body Lead back kick to body Lead front kick to head Rear front kick to head Age at least 16 years old Held Grade 6 for at least 4 months Striking Techniques semi-contact sparring 5 x 3 minutes Groundwork "Sparring" (including submissions): 3 x 3 minutes Grade 8: Green Leg Triangle choke Shoulder Wheel throw Lead round kick to head Rear round kick to head Lead side kick to head Lead back kick to head Lead hook kick to head Held Grade 7 for at least 6 months Striking Techniques semi-contact sparring 5 x 3 minutes Groundwork "Sparring" (including submissions): 3 x 3 minutes "Anything goes" semi-contact sparring: 3 x 3 minutes Grade 9: Black High level of speed and technical accuracy with all techniques Age at least 18 years old Held Grade 8 for at least 6 months Run 1 Mile in 6 Minutes or Less Striking Techniques semi-contact sparring 3 x 3 minutes Ground grappling sparring 3 x 3 minutes "Anything goes" semi-contact sparring: 3 x 3 minutes "Anything goes" full-contact sparring (with full protective gear) 3 x 1 minute "Anything goes" semi-contact sparring against 2 attackers: 3 x 1 minute Grade 10: Grey Very high level of speed and technical accuracy with all techniques Fighting with and defence against dagger Fighting with and defence against cudgel Held Grade 9 for at least 1 year Kicking Techniques only full-contact sparring 3 x 3 minutes Throws and takedowns sparring 3 x 3 minutes Ground grappling sparring 3 x 3 minutes "Anything goes" full-contact sparring (with full protective gear) 3 x 3 minutes "Anything goes" full-contact sparring (grappling gloves, groin protector, gum-shield) 3 x 1 minute "Anything goes" semi-contact sparring against 3 attackers: 3 x 1 minute "Anything goes" full-contact sparring (with full protective gear) against 3 attackers: 1 minute Grade 11: White - Instructor Age at least 20 years old Held Grade 10 for at least 1 year Hold a current first aid qualification Lead 6 training sessions under the supervision of an existing instructor 1200 word essay on relevant topic agreed with existing instructor Grade 12: White with Red - Head Instructor No further requirements - white with red signifies the head instructor within a schoolI know some people get touchy about age limits on grades, but basically they are introduced because of safety issues with using chokes in sparring and with full contact sparring. The 1 minute full contact bouts at higher grades are basically because you should be exerting yourself at a level in these that you wouldn't last longer than 1 minute.... Oh yes, I know I said there would only be a small number of techniques... look carefully and you will see that there are not many techniques there, but they are listed seperately for lead-rear or leg/body/head target. Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRo Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 wow im quite impressed it sounds like a good style. you decided on what kinda uniform you gonna have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolair Posted February 27, 2003 Author Share Posted February 27, 2003 you decided on what kinda uniform you gonna have?Actually no, I'm still completely clueless about this. Well, mostly clueless.... There's a couple of grappling techniques that really require a grip on clothing, so some sort of strong material (eg. Judo gi) would be an advantage. On the other hand, I'd like to stay away from oriental type uniforms if I can, as this isn't an oriental art (although it takes some inspiration from oriental arts). Using standard martial arts belts is probably a good idea, as everyone is used to what martial arts belts look like, and this could help make the style accessible to newcomers... Although you can't get grey belts, it's the easiest thing in the world to get a white belt and dye it! The temptation at the moment is do go the easy route : training shoes, long trousers(pants), plain T-shirt and belt.... but still undecided. This isn't really a uniform at all though, and I like uniforms as they produce a formal atmosphere that can be more conducive to getting on with training seriously. Training shoes rather than bare feet is the only definite decision so far.... (though they might be removed for safety in groundwork). But if you ever have to fight in real life, you'll have shoes on, so you may as well train this way. Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radok Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Since Iolair is still on this site, I just thought I would ask how things were going on making his art. If you can't laugh at yourself, there's no point. No point in what, you might ask? there's just no point.Many people seem to take Karate to get a Black Belt, rather than getting a Black Belt to learn Karate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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