iolair Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 OK, with striking arts, it seems possible to do well in a fight using only a handful of techniques ... look how far a western boxer can go with only 4 punches, or a Muay Thai practitioner with the same plus a couple of kicks... So is it possible to do the same thing with grappling ... just rely on a small number of well practiced techniques? And if so, what sort of things would be on the list of essentials? I'm actually trying to build a list of the essentials to put into my informal practice/sparring sessions with friends... So that they're useful for self-defence, hold-downs won't be allowed on the essentials list if the opponent is still able to strike or gauge you (i.e. if their hands and arms are free). Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing.
Kirves Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 Well, what you forgot about the list of standup striker's arsenal is footwork and movement. You won't get far with punches and kicks if you can't move right. Same applies to groundwork - learn how to move around and position yourself right when wrestling.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 yes that could be the case, but you will also have a limited submissions arsenal good against the average joe, like you should learn ,arm bar(mount) americana triangle choke rear naked choke arm bar (guard) these are good things to know if your a striker i would also suggest learning a throw or two, "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 the advice above is for those strikers that only want to familiarize themselves with the ground , otherwise learn some sufficient ground work "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
iolair Posted January 18, 2003 Author Posted January 18, 2003 if your a striker i would also suggest learning a throw or two,I already have a list of throws that I've selected and practice regularly: - O goshi (bog standard hip throw) - Seoi otoshi (shoulder throw) - Tai otoshi (body drop throw) - O soto gari (major outer reaping) - O Guruma (shoulder wheel) I've deliberately avoided sacrifice throws, I wouldn't like to throw myself onto the floor in a self defence situation, especially if there were multiple attackers. The hip throw is very easy to pull off against someone attacking with a punch or knife if they leave their arm around a fraction too long. The shoulder wheel is slightly more difficult than the others on the list, but worth it because the force you can drop someone onto the floor with it makes it a very effective technique overall if you can pull it off.... The tai otoshi is a good all rounder, and great if someone (unarmed) is charging you.... Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing.
iolair Posted January 18, 2003 Author Posted January 18, 2003 like you should learn ,arm bar(mount) americana triangle choke rear naked choke arm bar (guard) these are good things to knowI'm not familiar with all of these... by an arm-bar, are you talking about what judoka call a "juji gatame"? I have no idea what an americana is. Last time I encountered an "americana" it was a pizza! (seriously). The rear naked-choke ... if its the same as the judo one, you are using both hands, and are close in to the opponents back. From this position, the opponent can reach your eyes quite easily with his hands, yes? I prefer the collar-choke where you apply with one hand, restrain the opponent with the other - much safer (as long as they are wearing a top, of course!) Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing.
iolair Posted January 18, 2003 Author Posted January 18, 2003 Oh yeah, I did have some previous thoughts at a list of techniques. It's a loooooong time since I did Judo though, and though I've kept in practice with throws, I haven't with groundwork... Single wing choke (Kata ha-jime) Figure-4 armlock (Ude garami) Cross-body armlock (Juji gatame) Scarf hold (Kata gatame) Broken top 4-corner hold (Kuzure kami shio gatame) Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 31, 2003 Posted January 31, 2003 iolair GO TO WWW.BJJ.COM THERE YOU WILL FIND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
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