jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 can someone explain a sacrifice throw please thx? "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias_Reece Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Its when you sacrafice your advantage to pull of a specific move - for example launching yourself at the enemy without thinking of balance etc. A example of a sacrafice throw is that 'on your back pushing with your feet move' (can't remember the japanese name). When doing this move, you put yourself in a nasty position (on the ground), and you'd better make sure you pull it off or u are up a certain creek without a certain paddle. OK? "You Are Never Given A Dream Without Also Being Given The Power To Make It True. You May Have To Work For It, However"Principal Kobudo Instructor & OwnerWest Yorkshire Kobudo Academy2nd Kyu (Matayoshi Okinawan Kobudo, IOKA UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 still don't get it, why would u use that "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnifinite Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Sometimes it's the best/only option that comes to mind at the time, or is available at all. Ideally you both end up on the ground, but you're still in a better place than they are. Sometimes it's just a throw where you use your own body weight as a tool to take them down. This would be a pretty bad example, but you see similar moves in pro wrestling all the time. 1st Dan HapkidoColored belts in Kempo and Jujitsu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 ill ask my sifu to show me one, being that i study bjj, this could be usefull "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeygirl Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hrm...I think I've done similar things before... Sometimes, if I'm up against a big guy (and everybody's a big guy compared to me), the only way I can manage to take them down is to do a takedown with all my strength and leverage; meaning falling down with them and landing on top. I usually do a little "I meant to do that" move by combining it with a falling elbow strike/axe kick, depending. 1st dan & Asst. Instructor TKD 2000-2003No matter the tune...if you can rock it, rock it hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolair Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 The throw someone mentioned before is usually called "Tomoe Nage" (Stomach throw) To throw someone, you need to get in under their centre of gravity... dropping to the ground is one way of doing this. As I'm quite tall (190cm), when I used to do Judo I found sacrifice throws very useful in competition. The one that worked best for me was a side throw, where you slide up to the opponent with the inside of one leg against the outside of his leg, while pulling him down to the side... (the throw is "Yoko Otoshi" - Side Drop. See http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/yokootoshi.htm) Though, while this worked quite often for me in competition, I wouldn't want to go to ground unnecessarily in a real fight! Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 In Judo the throws you do, the purpose is basically to takedown your opponent but you be still at stand up, a sacrifice throw is when you fall with your opponent to the ground. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoriki816 Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 The sacrifice throw or sutemi as it is called in Japanese is basically done by allowing yourself to fall, thus taking your opponent to the ground. These techniques are fairly common in judo, although they actually come from aikijujitsu. In their non competition form they are very dangerous and can result in serious injury if used at full speed against someone who does not know how to fall properly. Yoseikan Aikido specialized in sacrifice throws and in fact a large number of the sacrifice throws in modern Judo were taught to senior instructors at the Kodokan by Shihan Mochizuki. Hopefully that helps explain things a bit. Matt GilliardShodan- Yoseikan AikidoShodan- Goshin Jujitsu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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