LOILOI44 Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Maybe some of the BJJ practitioners out there can help me to understand what BJJ is really all about. In the MMA events I have seen, BJJ fairs well but I see very limited technique. What I usually see is a double leg take down and then an attempt to get into the guard. After that I see an attempt to get into "the guard" and then numerous punches to the face till there's blood everywhere. Occasionally I have seen a hadaka jime (naked choke), and juji-gatame (arm bar). The only variation I have seen is Royce Gracie using sankankyu-jime (three corner choke). Does BJJ have many techniques? Does BJJ have many throws? In all the MMA contests I have seen (I know I haven't seen all of them) I haven't seen any BJJ use throws to take down their opponent. I would think you would have a strategic advantage if you took your opponent down in a controlled manor, rather than just tackling them and trying to get on top. I don't mean to sound like I'm trashing BJJ. I don't really know anything about it. My background lies in Japanese Jui-Jitsu, and Judo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Well, maybe you have seen the most "famous" techniques in BJJ (those that distingue BJJ from others, like the guard..) The guard position for example, is the best position you can have when you're in the bottom, so that's why you see that when someone (specially if is a grappler) when is in the bottom looks for gethis oppponent in his guard. Also when you see side control, mount position, etc all those positions are used in BJJ. Double leg takedown is one of the most effective takedowns, and that's why so many people use it. Of course BJJ has many techniques, you can see for example: rear naked choke, armbars, triangle choke, ankle locks, kimura, etc. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOILOI44 Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 Well, maybe you have seen the most "famous" techniques in BJJ (those that distingue BJJ from others, like the guard I still don't get it. The guard does exist in both Judo and Jui-Jitsu. I don't think the Gracies invented it. It seems like every technique I have seen in BJJ exists in Judo (with the exception of strikes) and Jui-Jitsu. Every school I have studied at does teach Ne-waza (ground fighting) so I still don't see what BJJ is all about. What makes i t different from traditional (Japanese) Jui-Jitsu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Althought the guard exists in Judo, they don't use it too much like in BJJ. In Judo you have Ne-Waza, but BJJ focuses in groundfighting, Judo doesn't. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOILOI44 Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 Althought the guard exists in Judo, they don't use it too much like in BJJ. In Judo you have Ne-Waza, but BJJ focuses in groundfighting, Judo doesn't. This is where I be to differ. I study under somebody who trained at The Kodokan. In my school we use the guard, but not exclusively. We learn from all positions. I just think you haven't seen Judo taught properly. It was always my understanding that ne-waza was ground fighting. A good school will teach how to fight from the ground. It is a huge part of Judo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Ok, you use the guard, but it isn't a symbol like it is in BJJ, in BJJ you have much more techniques from there. I didn't say that ne-waza wasn't groundfighting, it is. But you can NOT compare the Judo groundwork with the BJJ one, BJJ is the best groundfighting out there. BJJ's focus is groundwork, like Judo are the throws.. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOILOI44 Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 Ok, you use the guard, but it isn't a symbol like it is in BJJ, in BJJ you have much more techniques from there. I didn't say that ne-waza wasn't groundfighting, it is. But you can NOT compare the Judo groundwork with the BJJ one, BJJ is the best groundfighting out there. BJJ's focus is groundwork, like Judo are the throws.. I'm sorry Venezolano, this is where we have to disagree. In Judo I will agree, the guard is not the exclusive technique. In Judo you should train from all positions. As far as techniques from the guard, with the exception of strikes (which are taught in Japanese Jui-Jitsu) Judo has every one BJJ has and then some. Maybe the Judo schools in your area aren't very good. In Judo the focus should not be only on throws. They are important, but unless you score a full point for a spectacular throw the action all goes to the mat. A good Judo school will work ground fighting heavily. As far as who's better...I will bet money on the best The Kodokan has to offer against any of the Gracies. Now that would be a worthy pay per view event. As far as my original point...I don't see any difference between Judo techniques and BJJ. The only difference is that there are more Judo techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Ok, i'm not agree with you, but everybody has its own opinions, if you think that Judo has the same groundwork of BJJ ok, that yours opinion, i disagree I see BJJ has more techniques (in the ground) than Judo Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 bjj has less techniques in total than judo , but bjj players think like this, okay, bjj is about knowing a few techniques from different positions, you don't need to know 137 throws like in judo , you need to know maybe 5 to 10 and judo is also and amzing ,effective martial art, its approach is just way too traditional for todays standards, like we train 2 weeks gi , 2 weeks no gi, don;t say judo is better thats so rude, if you don't like bjj DON'T STUDY IT , NO ONE CARES "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 i don't care about the kodokan , i think that renzo/ royler/ rigan/ jean-jaques/ any one of them would defeat the kodokans best "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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