sensei8 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 LLLEARNER has this jewel of a saying inside his signature..."Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know." ~ Lao-tzu, Tao Te ChingHow's this work at a website like, for example, KarateForums.com, when the only means of communication here is through conversation, sorta like, the spoken written words??Kind of like what I'm doing right now!! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spodo Komodo Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 That applies to the Tao, something which is beyond words (although people like Lao Tzu gave it a good try), not to kicking someone in the face which is not entirely beyond words. The saying is often trotted out when someone wants to look like they really know something but they also know if they even start to explain it their lack of knowledge will be obvious so it doesn't always work, even for the Tao. To some extent it does apply to Martial Arts because you need to feel a technique to begin to develop it, no amount of words can convey the same thing that one really good performance can. Besides, as humans we learn our skills through social means, it stops us all having to make the same mistakes over and over again. If no-one ever figured out that certain techniques were harmful to the knees and publicised the findings we would all cripple ourselves eventually. So there you go, pick the bones out of that, your mileage may vary etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneKickWonder Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I think the quote, if taken literally, is a load of twaddle. I think either something has been lost in the many translations since the original. Or the meaning is more subtle and implied rather than literal. Or both.I think it's a bit like the much more modern saying, you can talk the talk but can you walk the walk? As in, just saying it proves nothing, but saying it doesn't mean you can't do it. It just doesn't mean you can.I'm also mindful of the young idiots that boast about how tough they are. They tend to not be tough at all, but the ones that have confidence have no need to boast. Perhaps that's the intended meaning or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higher Self Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Like anything, context is needed to evaluate meaning. I don't think quotes like that were ever intended to be absolute truths. Yet they are there to provide value or meaning to those wanting to receive it. I think the quote provides a great lesson of humility that many people could benefit from. With that said, the meaning comes from the receiver, not the giver of the information. It will resonate with some and not with others, and that is perfectly understandable. Thanks! https://business.facebook.com/HigherSelfMartialArts/?business_id=1614694508607959http://Www.higher-self-martial-arts-health-wellness.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 You guys...Clearly it's because he remembers the first rule of fight club... Think first, act second, and stop getting the two confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLLEARNER Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I think of it as not being boastful. We can come together to discuss topics that help us improve our lives in some way, without being in each others face about how great we are in a boastful manner. And like Tempest said, I remember the first rule of Fight Club. "Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know." ~ Lao-tzu, Tao Te Ching"Walk a single path, becoming neither cocky with victory nor broken with defeat, without forgetting caution when all is quiet or becoming frightened when danger threatens." ~ Jigaro Kano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Maximus Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The quote is an expression of a quality often emphasized in East Asian cultures. It reflects the idea that those who are knowledgeable about something must not flaunt it or show off their abilities. The best advice is always to listen and observe twice as much as one speaks. Those who brag, boast and are generally making a show of their abilities often are not as good as they think they are. Modesty is a good quality for an expert to have as it proves that person is realistic and has not been overwhelmed by their own success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 You guys...Clearly it's because he remembers the first rule of fight club.......and you just broke it! https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 If we don't post, KF fades away into the lowering sun without any fanfare whatsoever.We know a thing or two about the MA, and in that, we express ourselves on a plethora of MA subjects, in which, we strike up a conversation via a post.Those who know, and don't post accordingly on any given subject, usher in the demise of KF, or any forum on the internet. And of course, those who do know, and do post, are going to run into those who don't know."Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know." ~ Lao-tzu, Tao Te ChingAgain, just how does that work at a forum, that's on the internet, like KF?? Those of us who do know, don't flaunt, but only share with others for the sake of a meaningful conversation. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 You guys...Clearly it's because he remembers the first rule of fight club.......and you just broke it! Have you SEEN the number of times I have been admonished for not following rules around here?Besides, the point of that rule is to break it. Think first, act second, and stop getting the two confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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