Alan Armstrong Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Skill vs Discipline, have you considered the similarities and differences?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GOoxOwjwHiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 You can't have one, skill and discipline, without the other because they're both interchangeable as well as interdependent on one another.Which one came, or comes, first or simultaneous?? The skill? The discipline? Both mature in time, however long that might be. One must have the skill to acquire the discipline, and therefore, one must have the discipline to acquire the skill.Nurturing either haphazardly begets undisciplined skills!!Imho!! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I view discipline as the wherewithal of applying acquired skill in the proper time and place. I think this comes mostly through experience. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWx Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 What do we mean by "discipline" here? Self-discipline?I think you can have one and not the other. Especially if we consider skill to be in-part "natural ability".You can work really hard and still not be as good as someone with natural ability. But on the flip side you can have natural ability yet never realise your full potential because you're not disciplined enough to train hard. "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Armstrong Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 Discipline, could be considered as a skill to help develope self mastery.Obligation before diversion, is worth remembering when studying for exams.As having a stick-to-it-ness attitude helps towards attaining goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatsuShinshii Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 No way to obtain skill without discipline. Through discipline skill is developed. Doesn't matter what you do. If you want to be good at it you must develop the discipline to learn and perfect it thus you develop the skill. I guess I don't understand the question. The person who succeeds is not the one who holds back, fearing failure, nor the one who never fails-but the one who moves on in spite of failure. Charles R. Swindoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatsuShinshii Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 What do we mean by "discipline" here? Self-discipline?I think you can have one and not the other. Especially if we consider skill to be in-part "natural ability".You can work really hard and still not be as good as someone with natural ability. But on the flip side you can have natural ability yet never realise your full potential because you're not disciplined enough to train hard.Sorry I posted too quickly and didn't read your post. If this is in terms of natural ability I would agree with you. The person who succeeds is not the one who holds back, fearing failure, nor the one who never fails-but the one who moves on in spite of failure. Charles R. Swindoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Maximus Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 One thing that is common to both discipline and skill is that the two take time to develop. Another is that both can only be acquired through diligent training and practise. Even with natural talent, it takes considerable discipline and conscious sustained effort to improve an existing skill or learn a new one. There is no such thing as a natural master. Discipline, concentration and dedication is how experts came to be experts. Discipline can be taught in part, but most of it must eventually come from within. It must be self-discipline because the guidance of an instructor is not always available whenever one wishes. This is precisely the reason why martial arts instructors hope and expect their students to practise on their own time and not just in the training hall when the instructor is around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatsuShinshii Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Wait, you're supposed to train outside of class? I must have missed this memo! Oh boy there are a whole lot of couch potatoes rethinking starting a MA right now. The person who succeeds is not the one who holds back, fearing failure, nor the one who never fails-but the one who moves on in spite of failure. Charles R. Swindoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Wait, you're supposed to train outside of class? I must have missed this memo! Oh boy there are a whole lot of couch potatoes rethinking starting a MA right now. This has been the hardest part for me over the course of the past few years, arranging some training time outside of class. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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